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Nacia 12-03-2014 05:41 AM

a book/story that has upset you
 
or made you cry sad or angry?

please can you state the reason why.
thanks :)

ki11j0y 12-10-2014 08:12 PM

The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo---didactic cultural Marxism posing as fiction ...

Nacia 12-14-2014 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ki11j0y (Post 681652)
The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo---didactic cultural Marxism posing as fiction ...

are you calling this book a communist?
if I understand rightly of course what you said :)

Michael D 12-15-2014 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Nacia (Post 682008)
are you calling this book a communist?
if I understand rightly of course what you said :)

As Non Servium once stated: I love you - Don't ever change.

And Old Yeller comes to mind.

Nacia 12-15-2014 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael D (Post 682109)
As Non Servium once stated: I love you - Don't ever change.

And Old Yeller comes to mind.

haha thanks and I wont :D
Old Yeller?
I admit I do not know it but I shall find out :)
and by the by it is quite unusual for a Disney to be a tragedy.
just wondering what yeller meant.
is that from yelling do you think as in shouting?

max crash 12-15-2014 02:22 PM

southern accent for yellow --- ol' yeller, was a dog , I don't remember a lot about the story but the boy, about 12 I think, and dog became very close and the dog died in the end.

it was sad

max

Nacia 12-15-2014 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by max crash (Post 682147)
southern accent for yellow --- ol' yeller, was a dog , I don't remember a lot about the story but the boy, about 12 I think, and dog became very close and the dog died in the end.

it was sad

max

thanks max
yellow I never figured.
unusual to call a dog a colour but then I guess I did pnce name a cat guiness.
black and white it was.
so it swings in round abouts :)

Michael D 12-15-2014 05:25 PM

Max - what made it so tragic is that the boy had to shoot his dog because it contracted rabies. Still tears me up...
I need a tissue.

ki11j0y 12-16-2014 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Nacia (Post 682008)
are you calling this book a communist?
if I understand rightly of course what you said :)

The book is not explicitly communist but the author is an it shows in his neurotic obsessions---Nazi Illuminati etc.

Nacia 12-16-2014 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ki11j0y (Post 682221)
The book is not explicitly communist but the author is an it shows in his neurotic obsessions---Nazi Illuminati etc.

I see and I wonder why maybe he was part of the Illuminati I mean nazis are illuminatis themselves.

ki11j0y 12-18-2014 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Nacia (Post 682235)
I see and I wonder why maybe he was part of the Illuminati I mean nazis are illuminatis themselves.

I don't know about Illuminati, it's just one of those things I keep hearing about. It sounds like a load of crazy to me, but at this stage nothing would surprise me.

You never answer your own questions Nacia! What books made you sad/cry/angry?

Nacia 12-21-2014 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ki11j0y (Post 682466)
I don't know about Illuminati, it's just one of those things I keep hearing about. It sounds like a load of crazy to me, but at this stage nothing would surprise me.

You never answer your own questions Nacia! What books made you sad/cry/angry?

don't I ?? I usually tend to.
I have to admit there is not one. :)

Tor 12-24-2014 01:52 PM

Olive Kitteridge - by Strout. It did a job on me parts were playing my life like the song.

Nacia 12-24-2014 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tor (Post 682916)
Olive Kitteridge - by Strout. It did a job on me parts were playing my life like the song.

a job? how do you mean??

Tor 12-29-2014 04:14 PM

Nacia,
Being from New England - this was about the family I had and the people I knew there. Very stoic, not easy people to understand. The job it did to me was to take me back there and bring back raw feelings. And it made me want to write again.

ki11j0y 01-01-2015 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nacia (Post 682685)
don't I ?? I usually tend to.
I have to admit there is not one. :)

Perhaps you're a cold, emotionless sociopath.

SailorMystery15 01-02-2015 10:37 AM

The Boy in the Striped Pajamas because the ending is so tragic, and I don't like when people yell a lot.

SuperGurl 01-02-2015 05:00 PM

For me, it was one of my favorite books that made me cry: The Phantom of the Opera. And it was a little bit creepy too. I was ten when I read it and I remember sitting behind a table at this college fair just crying. But it's still one of my favorite books.

Checker 09-17-2015 05:54 AM

The Catcher in the Rye is easily the first to come to mind.

I read it when I was 16/17, and I became so angry at the protagonist that I could not finish the book. No other work of fiction - and I consider myself very well-read - has ever elicited such a response from me.

I guess on some feint, basic level I was similar to him - as I assume all angsty teenagers are - but his shirt attitude and anti-intellectualism made me sick.

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poirot 10-04-2015 06:15 PM

Any book or story that normalizes abuses, especially of children.

Binx B 10-05-2015 05:33 AM

Have you read or are you aware of books that normalize abuses, particularly abuses of children?

Motley Crew 10-05-2015 05:34 AM

Harry Potter and The Deathly Hallows. It flew in the face of the rest of the series and used Harry Potter characters in a non-Harry Potter story.

Star Trek Viyager Endgame also flew in the face of prior established character parameters. It always annoys me, when a character changes just for the purpose of a dramatic ending with no justifiable reason.

Horror and tragedies are prevalent enough in real-life. I can read any newspaper for horror or tragedy story so won't waste money on those. I think that's it.

Motley Crew.

Motley Crew 10-05-2015 05:35 AM

Read the clasdics, Binx B.

Binx B 10-05-2015 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Motley Crew (Post 708701)
Read the clasdics, Binx B.

I do read plenty of "clasdics."

But why don't you give me some examples and tell me how they might relate to my comment?

poirot 10-05-2015 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Binx B (Post 708699)
Have you read or are you aware of books that normalize abuses, particularly abuses of children?

Knock it off! I don't have to justify everything I say to you.

Binx B 10-05-2015 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by poirot (Post 708708)
Knock it off! I don't have to justify everything I say to you.

Oh dear.

I'm not asking you to "justify" anything.

I'm aware of novels that depict the abuses of children. I'm actually reading one now, Bastard Out of Carolina, by Dorothy Allison. But it doesn't normalize abuses. The behavior is only normal or justified in the eyes of the character who is the abuser, but that's different for obvious reasons.

Otherwise, I'm not aware of any novels that normalize the behavior and I was simply asking you for an example.

If you don't have the stomach for a conversation where you might have to explain your opinion or one where there might be a difference of opinion or some disagreement, I'll just ignore your comments from now on. No big loss.

poirot 10-05-2015 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Binx B (Post 708711)
Oh dear.

I'm not asking you "justify" anything.

I'm aware of novels that depict the abuses of children. I'm actually reading one now, Bastard Our of Carolina, by Dorothy Allison. But it doesn't normalize abuses. The behavior is only normal or justified in the eyes of the character who is the abuser, but that's different for obvious reasons.

Otherwise, I'm not aware of any novels that normalize the behavior and I was simply asking you for an example.

If you don't have the stomach for a conversation where you might have to explain your opinion or one where there might be a difference of opinion or some disagreement, I'll just ignore your comments from now on. No big loss.


I sincerely hope you keep your word. You have "left" the literary vs genre fiction thread at least twice, yet keep returning.

I have the stomach for explaining.

What is it about
Quote:

Any book or story that normalizes abuses, especially of children.
that is not clear to you?

Binx B 10-05-2015 10:50 AM

I said, if you don't have the stomach for a conversation where you might have to explain your opinion I'd ignore your comments. But you said you did, so I'll ask for an explanation, and an example could be the starting point.

What's not clear to me is the idea of "normalize." That suggests to me that the behavior is considered normal or acceptable in the overall context of the book, beyond how any characters might behave or how they justify their own behavior. I don't know of any such books.

Even Lolita is told from the perspective of an unreliable narrator; it's about how he makes excuses for his behavior and tries to make it sound normal, and most readers understand that.

Or it could be a difference about an understanding of what normal or acceptable means in a given context.

Some people think what's depicted in 50 Shades of Gray is normal and acceptable between consenting adults. Others, including some people who are into BDSM, believe that the relationship is abusive and that the overall message of the book is harmful.

Of course, with children, most people believe there can't be consent, so any novel or story that even hints at the idea that it could be normal would be unacceptable and possibly upsetting. But again, I don't know of any such novels that are available to the public at large.

The other possibility is that for some, it has nothing to do with any concept of "normal" or any character's view of normal. It's that any depiction of abuse is upsetting, whatever the reason, including personal experience. That's totally understandable, and of course, it requires no justification whatsoever.

As far as the literary fiction thread is concerned, I said I was done unless someone had something new to add. That's pretty subjective.

I won't say that from now on, because there will always be people who will say, "but you said you were done," like it has some significance or that it has something to do with integrity or keeping your word, which is pretty silly to me.

P.S. And seriously, if you want me to ignore your comments, I'll be happy to do it. It seems like you were OK with a few of our exchanges and you were happy to ask me questions in your literary fiction thread. Nothing personal; it would not be any big loss to me, but you are one of the few people here commenting on a regular basis, so it would limit things to some extent. Otherwise, just say the word.

poirot 10-05-2015 01:20 PM

I do not mind occasional exchanges, but you are getting tiresome. In this case you are crossing a line.

Your post, post #29, clearly shows that you understand my prior statement. Therefore the asking of an example is not for clarification purposes (explaining), but rather a submission for your approval (justifying).

If you have not read any books or stories that normalize abuse, at least in your opinion, fine. I do not have to, nor will I, submit examples for you to judge.

I also find your ridicule of the typo in Motley's post to be over the top and have reported it.


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