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Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-12-2018, 07:44 AM
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Posted By JohnConstantine
Nah, just per capita, if we view the US as a...

Nah, just per capita, if we view the US as a closed economy.

If the population of each group was equal and the current distribution of wages in the US stayed constant, then Asians would occupy...
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-12-2018, 04:32 AM
Replies: 149
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Posted By JohnConstantine
Ah but this is the argument you see. You actually...

Ah but this is the argument you see. You actually don't have to say anything else to agree with it.

And we don't have to say people who 'don't play music', only a random selection. We don't even...
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-12-2018, 04:18 AM
Replies: 149
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Posted By JohnConstantine
Nope. Doesn't matter. Is irrelevant to the...

Nope. Doesn't matter. Is irrelevant to the argument.



Ah but why? All we know is that they're successful, we don't know that they're talented. Why should they be more likely to be talented if...
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-12-2018, 03:47 AM
Replies: 149
Views: 7,660
Posted By JohnConstantine
No it wouldn't be the same distribution. It's...

No it wouldn't be the same distribution. It's another straw man argument. Not saying that talent equals success. Am asserting that the successful are MORE LIKELY to be talented. To wit, the artists...
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-12-2018, 03:34 AM
Replies: 149
Views: 7,660
Posted By JohnConstantine
:) Again every time we describe the top...

:)

Again every time we describe the top people as the most talented, intelligent etc we're creating a straw man. This has never been the assertion. But to answer the question...

Partly,...
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-10-2018, 01:03 PM
Replies: 149
Views: 7,660
Posted By JohnConstantine
Sure -- and some 70 IQ people are rich. But in...

Sure -- and some 70 IQ people are rich. But in general talent helps within the entertainment industry.
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-10-2018, 01:00 PM
Replies: 149
Views: 7,660
Posted By JohnConstantine
Sorry I wasn't really aiming this at you...

Sorry I wasn't really aiming this at you specifically more a general comment. But the slant of the article and PB's argument is actually that, it's all luck, and the only thing producing differences...
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-10-2018, 06:23 AM
Replies: 149
Views: 7,660
Posted By JohnConstantine
think of it this way. Rhianna isn't the...

think of it this way.

Rhianna isn't the best singer in the world. You could find a million people as good or better. And the difference between her and lesser known singers might be described as...
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-10-2018, 02:33 AM
Replies: 149
Views: 7,660
Posted By JohnConstantine
Stands to reason. But the argument isn't that...

Stands to reason. But the argument isn't that those with ten times the income of others are ten times more intelligent and ten times harder working.

Only that they are likely to be intelligent....
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-09-2018, 09:49 AM
Replies: 149
Views: 7,660
Posted By JohnConstantine
After the book was published or the actual year? ...

After the book was published or the actual year?

One makes you ancient the other makes you born the same year as me. Either way that's a lot of youthful spark you've got there -- don't let the...
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-09-2018, 06:41 AM
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Posted By JohnConstantine
Well this is refreshing. Y'know weirdly I think...

Well this is refreshing. Y'know weirdly I think there was a time when I wrote similarly to this, energy wise.

I'm wondering how old you are. If you've retained this sort of maddened enthusiasm...
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-09-2018, 01:17 AM
Replies: 149
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Posted By JohnConstantine
Not random though. If it was, intelligence...

Not random though. If it was, intelligence wouldn't correlate with income regardless of gender race and other things. Does it correlate perfectly? No, course not. Are some really dumb people super...
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-09-2018, 12:59 AM
Replies: 149
Views: 7,660
Posted By JohnConstantine
I think we need to get off of this filthy rich...

I think we need to get off of this filthy rich thing. Only because the filthy rich are miles above EVERYONE regardless of being women or black or whatever so there's a whole 'nother distinction...
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-09-2018, 12:25 AM
Replies: 149
Views: 7,660
Posted By JohnConstantine
Yeah, when I was a little angry teenager too :) ...

Yeah, when I was a little angry teenager too :)

Ever read Plato's Republic? If not, give it a bash -- see if you spot some parallels.

Huxley and Orwell were interested in Power. A sort of...
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-08-2018, 01:26 AM
Replies: 149
Views: 7,660
Posted By JohnConstantine
It doesn't matter how you interact with people,...

It doesn't matter how you interact with people, or even THAT you interact with people at all, as to your likelihood of establishing positive reciprocal relationships with them?



But no one is...
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-08-2018, 01:19 AM
Replies: 149
Views: 7,660
Posted By JohnConstantine
Possibly, possibly not. Maybe they were just the...

Possibly, possibly not. Maybe they were just the ones who asked for a promotion. It's not immoral to do that. Y'know the whole thing of 'who wants it more'. But either way we're talking behaviour...
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-08-2018, 01:01 AM
Replies: 149
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Posted By JohnConstantine
There are little snippets of agreement I can pick...

There are little snippets of agreement I can pick out. Here the key word is 'better'. I don't think we know... this is just a hunch, ie: there's no data we can point to right?

But either way...
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-07-2018, 01:26 AM
Replies: 149
Views: 7,660
Posted By JohnConstantine
Not shying away from it. Life is unfair. The idea...

Not shying away from it. Life is unfair. The idea that it would be fair is stupid.

So sure we let the kids know that it's unfair. But saying to them that the way they think and behave has no...
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-07-2018, 01:10 AM
Replies: 149
Views: 7,660
Posted By JohnConstantine
Maybe, maybe not. There's only two positions. I'm...

Maybe, maybe not. There's only two positions. I'm not saying that there's much difference between the two sections of people and hey why the 2 are above the twenty might be pure luck. But that...
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-06-2018, 02:06 AM
Replies: 149
Views: 7,660
Posted By JohnConstantine
Sure. But the alternative message to all to...

Sure.

But the alternative message to all to flowery wishful thinking can't be 'it doesn't matter what you do, the game is rigged and you are just a helpless automaton'.

It's a sure fire route...
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-06-2018, 01:58 AM
Replies: 149
Views: 7,660
Posted By JohnConstantine
Kind of, but it's not clear cut to me. The most...

Kind of, but it's not clear cut to me. The most lazy people in the world simply won't work, period. So they cluster at the bottom. Then say menial, low wage jobs -- I've worked my fair share. Some of...
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-05-2018, 01:42 AM
Replies: 149
Views: 7,660
Posted By JohnConstantine
If there is no agency then the weighting is 0%...

If there is no agency then the weighting is 0% agency and 100% accident at birth. No free will, we cannot attribute any kind of achievement to the individual, and we should hold everything in common....
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-02-2018, 02:30 PM
Replies: 149
Views: 7,660
Posted By JohnConstantine
That's not what I'm saying though. I'm not saying...

That's not what I'm saying though. I'm not saying your income is a perfect reflection of how hard you work, that's absurd. Life isn't that simple. For one it depends where you focus your effort, eg:...
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-02-2018, 01:08 PM
Replies: 149
Views: 7,660
Posted By JohnConstantine
I digest this all in time but I had to pick this...

I digest this all in time but I had to pick this bit out...

Some people are sitting on cash and living it up on yachts on daddy's money -- it's not the rule. The idea that high functioning CEO's...
Forum: The Intellectual Table 03-02-2018, 01:00 AM
Replies: 149
Views: 7,660
Posted By JohnConstantine
It could be anything, apart from race. I don't...

It could be anything, apart from race. I don't really contend with the general point you're making other than on a technicality. But the technicality, for me, prevents us from characterising this as...
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