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I am not a troll.

Apparently, the cutesy title under everyoneís name is determined by a chart to show activity of that member. When I saw such a drastic fall off of my work I wondered if it was because I was being identified as a troll. And then I saw Binx being called a troll. So I went to Wiki to find out what troll really meant and Iím sharing with you what I found on Wiki:

"In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,[3] often for their own amusement."

Wiki went on to say:

"At times, the word can be abused to refer to anyone with controversial opinions they disagree with.[18] Such usages goes against the ordinary meaning of troll in multiple ways. Most importantly, trolls don't actually believe the controversial views they claim. Farhad Manjoo criticises this view, noting that if the person really is trolling, they are a lot more intelligent than their critics would believe."

I donít know how Binx feels about this, but I donít like being called a troll. If the intent is to indicate activity of a member why not put the posts count? And if they want to remain cutesy, change the one that Binx and I now carry.

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I don't care and I don't think anyone else does either.

On the other hand, it does have a negative connotation compared to the other "cutesy" little tags, so it does seem like kind of a dumb and not very clever choice.

P.S. At least they got the "eloquent" part right.

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Considerin' that they don't charge anything to have such a venue available to me I pretty much don't care what I'm labeled.

Anyhow, as I continue to stay involved, the sobriquet keeps a changin'.
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Posts like this are why they changed your title to troll....


Haha, sorry couldn't resist.
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The post count is available on the far right, at the top of the box.

The sayings seem to rotate based on a passage of time, not posts. I suspect the sayings weren't chosen by those in charge now.

Perhaps the reason for the decline lies elsewhere, as I doubt most pay attention to the "cutsey" labels.
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I'm not a heartbreaking writer of staggering genius, either. Pay no attention.

A lot of the good writers, and many of the prolific posters have been banned or left the site.
Many of these people were controversial or adversarial, and often labeled 'bullies' by some of the blander members.

It makes for a mushy experience.

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Old 10-27-2015, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post

A lot of the good writers, and many of the prolific posters have been banned or left the site.

"A lot" and "many"?

Unless those who are no longer here critiqued wrc's stories in the past, their departure is irrelevant to the issue at hand.
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The sayings seem to rotate based on a passage of time, not posts.
Nope. Posts. The number of, that is.
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Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post

A lot of the good writers, and many of the prolific posters have been banned or left the site.

Many of these people were controversial or adversarial, and often labeled 'bullies' by some of the blander members.
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Post rank titles are easily changed in vBulletin, and "eloquent troll" is clearly one that could be improved upon.
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Hi Non Seriam.

Thanks for the tip.

Okay. How do I change it? Everytime I try to make a post I see it calling me a troll and I feel it's a waste of time to even participate, much less put work here in hopes of getting feedback.

I really want it changed!

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I'm sorry, wrc, my post was ambiguous. I should have said that it would be easy for an administrator such as Mohican to change it ---- post rank titles are indeed simple to change, but to do so requires access to the administrator control panel.

I would personally suggest that "eloquent troll" is globally changed, for all users. The word "troll" might be deleted, so that people of your post count are merely described as "eloquent".
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I've actually come around to embracing the title. I'll probably be a little upset when it changes to "The Next Bard."
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Nope. Posts. The number of, that is.
Then something odd happened about a month or so ago. Those "cutsey" labels changed. I first noticed when Tor became an "eloquent troll". Then I looked at my own, which was different. Then they changed again, then changed back to what they were before the funny business started. That led me to believe it was unrelated to post count.
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We should demand that a thorough investigation be launched immediately.
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We should demand that a thorough investigation be launched immediately.

I agree. This is serious! Call the Navy! Call the Army! Something must be done!
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Then they changed again, then changed back to what they were before the funny business started.
Odd. Because they are tied to post count.
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If you hit 350 post that Troll title might go away
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Hi Mohican.

You told me you'd find out how to change the troll tag. Now you say I have to make more posts and "it might go away." I surprised and disappointed. This reminds me of Catch 22...

I don't mean to be argumenditive, but is there anyone in control of this ship? Or is this a case of "a rule is a rule as any fool can see!" Or "that's the way we run the ship and we're not going to change anything."

Take a moment and look at the chart. Everyone one of the tags is positive, or at least not offensive, except the one which identifies the poster as a troll.

You seem to be implying that nothing can be done about this. Why?

I plan to continue posting (and not sharing) until I hit 250. If that tag is still there I won't be here. I love this site. But I hate being called a troll by the site itself. It hurts much more that one person calling me troll.

So let's see what happens...

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wrc, the post count has to reach 290, according to Mohican's chart, before it will change automatically.

Mohican, how difficult is it to change "troll" to "speechwriter" or something similar?
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At the republican debates two of the candidates were discussing what they would do about fantasy football betting when a third interjected his opinion about focusing on that subject as a presidential concern when other events such as the spread of world terrorism, global climate change and the like are upon us.

Not to belittle gambling - hell, I'm doin' that now by puttin' this up.

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Hi Mohican.

You told me you'd find out how to change the troll tag. Now you say I have to make more posts and "it might go away." I surprised and disappointed. This reminds me of Catch 22...

I don't mean to be argumenditive, but is there anyone in control of this ship? Or is this a case of "a rule is a rule as any fool can see!" Or "that's the way we run the ship and we're not going to change anything."

Take a moment and look at the chart. Everyone one of the tags is positive, or at least not offensive, except the one which identifies the poster as a troll.

You seem to be implying that nothing can be done about this. Why?

I plan to continue posting (and not sharing) until I hit 250. If that tag is still there I won't be here. I love this site. But I hate being called a troll by the site itself. It hurts much more that one person calling me troll.

So let's see what happens...

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WRC - I can not find an admin panel that lets me change this ranking. I am checking with site Admin (different from Writers' Beat Admin) about how this is to be changed. I can poke around some more, but if the site admin (cgi admin) has to do this or point me in the direction it might take some time to do this, because there are other things to do and I don't know when he/she/whoever will get back to me. Like other changes on this forum, it takes time behind the scenes.

While the discussion can be had about whether or not certain rankings offend or don't offend some people, these rankings get applied to all posters. Everyone has this span where they are an eloquent troll, and this is the first I've heard that critiquing has completely stopped when they became an eloquent troll.

This is an automatic, Writers Beat Staff is not sitting behind the scenes, pounding quarts of 'Shine or shots of George Dickle and saying, "hmmn, Poster xxx just hit the 290 postcount threshold - let's change his/her status to Eloquent Troll".

I bear no ill will or malice toward you, but you, or other members must realize that some things can happen quickly, other things/changes cant and if that doesn't suit then yes, you do have the option to go softly into the night.
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wrc, the post count has to reach 290, according to Mohican's chart, before it will change automatically.

Mohican, how difficult is it to change "troll" to "speechwriter" or something similar?
The chart shows Eloquent Troll starting at 290 posts, and the Next Bard starting at 360 posts.

As an aside, rankings were a more popular thing in the earlier days of internet forums, a way to show how much effort you dedicated to a particular forum.
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The chart shows Eloquent Troll starting at 290 posts, and the Next Bard starting at 360 posts.

As an aside, rankings were a more popular thing in the earlier days of internet forums, a way to show how much effort you dedicated to a particular forum.

Sorry. wrc said he would post but not share until he hit 250, and when I compared that to your chart, I assumed it was the ending number being shown. I guess I should have checked his post count. Then I would have realized the typo(s).

The labels are kind of fun, and certainly mean no harm or disrespect. Everyone who is beyond that level went through it, so it's not a personal attack.

Still odd about what happened a month or so ago.
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Hi Mohican.

When I began looking into why every writer on WB had to take a take a turn with a tag line under their name I realized that it was an automatic software change via activity. I thought those running WB had control over that software.

Joining WB was a snake dance because I never received the confirmation email to respond to, so I contacted what I thought was WB and it turned out to be the owner of a LOT of interactive discussion groups. I worked with them and they solved the problem and I joined WB. I found the owner organization unusually easy to work with.

But to correct this problem, I suspect, would require an engineer there to change the software, and they may not want to do it. I have a feeling that they designed a template, then made it available to many. Those that run WB may want to lobby them for a little more power...

(I suppose I could dig out those who helped me before and explain the situation and make a request, but a mere user of their product won't have as much weight as someone running a site.)

These tags are not needed and correcting that would be simple and only need omitting that part of their software. Or changing troll to something better can be done by replacing it in the software.

You said: (((...this is the first I've heard that critiquing has completely stopped when they became an eloquent troll.)))

This is my explanation for the fall off of responses. I don't know how to prove it. After all, I've used WB a lot and too much exposure may have created disinterest in my work. General activity is down. There could be many reasons for the fall off. But I kept staring at my tag and it dawned on me that I wouldn't read the work of someone known as a troll.

You said: (((...you do have the option to go softly into the night.)))

It's not my nature to do anything softly. I've invested so much in research, education, experiences, writing, etc. to not take pride in my hard earned opinions. But now I realize where the problem and solution is located I've put leaving on hold.

I really appreciate you spending your time to help me.

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Mohican, I may be able to talk you through this.

Try clicking on:- http://forums.writersbeat.com/admincp/ . It will prompt you for your username and password even though you're already logged in. Enter your normal site username and password. If you have admin permissions then this will succeed and take you into a further menu of options. Does it?
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The alternative is to let Mohican or whoever run it up the flag pole and let them fix it. In the mean time, we all move on because no one else cares.
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