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Old 02-10-2013, 12:05 PM
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Looking for an editor? Most Jr Colleges teach literature. Those who teach are always looking for class projects…and they do it for free. Get in touch with your local Jr College.

I have one near where I live, and they have agreed to take two of my full manuscripts

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Good for them.

And I'm assuming you adding that editor advertisement to your signature is definitely not a dig at me.
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Old 02-10-2013, 12:38 PM
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This is a writers forum. We are here to learn, and help each other.
Is there a list of subject we should not give help on?

Or are you following me from thread to thread just to side track all my threads?
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Old 02-10-2013, 12:48 PM
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I never knew this was a writing forum and that people were here to help each other grow and learn, while helping others.

And no, there is not a list of things people should not give help on.

And no, I'm not following you around, trying to derail topics (well, not really). It just seems funny you've created this thread now and added that to your signature after our previous words.

But hey, maybe I should work on having an even higher opinion of people and shouldn't have jumped to a conclusion.

I'll butt out now, as I've said everything I wanted.

Edit: I particularly like how 'Looking for an editor' was bolded in your original post as well.
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Old 02-10-2013, 12:48 PM
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Please keep the thread on track.

This is good advice Domenic, helpful for those who can't afford to hire an editor.
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Redlorry View Post
Please keep the thread on track.

This is good advice Domenic, helpful for those who can't afford to hire an editor.
Thank you. redlorry.
I have five manuscripts that Need to be cleaned up. The prices I have been quoted range ( from companies who have edited major works ) charge about
$1,200...it would be $6,000 U.S.D in my case. All of my work is between 50,000 and 60,000 words.
Two years ago I used a High School English Teacher. I paid her $100.All she did was the grammar, and spelling. I needed more…I wanted to make sure my writing was good.Do they have Jr Colleges in the UK?
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidGil View Post
I never knew this was a writing forum and that people were here to ? each other grow and learn, while helping others.

And no, there is not a list of things people should not give help on.

And no, I'm not following you around, trying to derail topics (well, not really). It just seems funny you've created this thread now and added that to your signature after our previous words.

But hey, maybe I should work on having an even higher opinion of people and shouldn't have jumped to a conclusion.

I'll butt out now, as I've said everything I wanted.

Edit: I particularly like how 'Looking for an editor' was bolded in your original post as well.
Most of us need an editor.
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We're here to red question mark each other? *confuzzled*

Hahahahaha! And I wrote "hear" instead of "here" just now. Self-edit! Clean up on isle seven. (*beep* already done)

Yes, "isle" was intentional.
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I was wondering what word was left out?
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(Edit: I'd recommend skipping down to where the links are, mods, if you don't want to read this. Which is understandable. At least look at those threads before taking any action. I also realise I'm not helping things here and I accept anything you wish to do, as I explained in the post before the quotes.)

Fuck it. Sorry, Red. Other admins. I missed out 'one' word in a 'forum post' and he wants to call me on it. Well, I think it's about time I do something I've wanted to do for quite a while, seeing as he doesn't really have a box to stand on when it comes to typos etc.

Do whatever you want regarding this post and me. I've asked for it, but I'm not going to let him belittle me.

And to be clear:

I have no problem with his original post. It's good if people can find someone who can edit their work for free. I don't mind others putting editing services in their signatures either, obviously.

What I do mind is this arse putting it into his signature, right after we've exchanged words. It's obvious why he's done it. The timing could not be better. And he's already called my credentials into question, because I said show, don't tell is not a rule that always needs to be followed. While I did not need to say what I did earlier about him not being ready for an agent either, I did honestly mean it in the best way.

And while I've not helped here, you need to be stricter with moderating. Even if that means suspending me or whatever. People are bringing the forum down. I know that I remember seeing one person say they were published (unless I'm mistaken), while dissing Lin's writing, when they don't even seem to know how to punctuate dialog.

"Yeah".

"Yeah" he said.

Those are examples of what I've seen from said person and they asked if the grammar mistakes could be pointed out. The person's writing seemed good though from a content standpoint, but I can see why Lin has requested for his posts to be deleted.

And again, I know I'm not helping things here. But I'm starting to get a little tired. Not angry, just tired and disillusioned. (I'll still make sure I return the critiques at least.)

So, let's tackle your mistakes, Domenic.

Originally Posted by Domenic View Post
Looking for an editor? Most Junior Colleges teach literature. Those who teach are always looking for class projects… and they do it for free. Get in touch with your local Junior College.

I have one near where I liveme, and they have agreed to take two of my full manuscripts.
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Originally Posted by Domenic View Post

Need an Eeditor?
Junior Colleges that have courses in Lituerature, will do itedit your manuscript for free.
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Thank you., rRedlorry.
I have five manuscripts that Nneed to be cleaned up. The prices I have been quoted range (from companies who have edited major works) charge are about (cleared up formatting/paragragh) $1,200... it would be $6,000 U.S.D in my case. All of my work is between 50,000 and 60,000 words.
Two years ago, I used a High School English Teacher. I paid her $100. All sheShe'd did only touched was the grammar, and spelling. I needed more… I wanted to make sure my writing was good. Do they have Junior Colleges in the UK?
And cleaned up is definitely the right word, based on what I partly critiqued for you in the member's only forum. (You should note I cleared up the spacing between elipses and full stops as well. How lazy can you get and you have the nerve to point out one missed out word on my part?)

I would hope you do clean them up further, before giving them to an editor, especially if they're not charging. The idea is you get a manuscript in the best condition possible and don't just leave the editor to fix everything.

An example of where you've tried to force your writing views on someone else, also, and think you speak for every reader:

http://www.writersbeat.com/showthread.php?t=44081
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Motion pictures changed what readers want. They no longer want to be told a story, they want to see it…NOW. We call it, “Show, don’t tell.”
The first few sentences need to hook the reader. The hook does not need to be exciting…it just needs to make the reader want to find out what is going to happen next.
The hook is not just for the first few sentences. Like fishing, you need to keep setting the hook.
The first hook does not need to be a part of the story, it just has to look like it does.
Read my rewrite in Members only.
The first few sentences sound like non-fiction. They are not…I just made that up. I did make the slaves name the same as the main character. Without my saying it, the reader will know my main character is a descendant of that slave. In this way I give a ton of back ground about the main character, without giving detail…I gave the reader a motion picture.
Would you sit for long watching a movie with a blank screen? No. You want to see the story. Readers today are conditioned to see a story. We as writers have to put a movie of our story in the readers mind.
Oh and we can't read your 'rewrite', because it's deleted.

And a classic example of you, Domenic:

http://www.writersbeat.com/showthrea...589#post565589

Originally Posted by Domenic View Post
Sins of the Father p.2


Great Name. The first five lines did not draw me in. I would rather see a hook. Something like this;
“He used his inabilities at poker to release his meanness. It curled his lips into a smile if he drew blood. Everybody loved my father…but me.”
Shorter is better. Always hook the reader by making them have to read to see what is around the corner.
I'll add that the user made it clear that this wasn't the start of a new work. So, the first few lines part of the critique is of no help to the user.

You also commented that his title has been used elsewhere. Leading to this reply from the user:

Originally Posted by MBNewman View Post
It's a common quote, I'm glad then that the book is called the Brookrow Batard: Sins of the Father, if that caused any complications in the future for whatever reasons I can figure something new out.
You then went and threw a tantrum, with:

Originally Posted by Domenic View Post
Why are you asking for help if you have all the answers? People spend time reading you work. If you don't want comment, you should say what you want.
Because he didn't necessarily agree with all of your critique and because he didn't agree that the title needed changing. I had to laugh when Hadrian posted a 'joke query' to a publisher, made it clear it was a joke, and you gave a serious reply. Saying don't waste the time of others when Hadrian explained it wasn't serious.

And the quote where you act stupidly, in case you delete it:

Originally Posted by Domenic View Post
I see nothing that indicates you wrote this query just for fun. I spent time going over your query, and gave suggestions.
Next time you do something like this, please post it’s just for fun. I’m not here to wast my time.
Domenic
You mustn't have noticed this part right at the top:

Originally Posted by Hadian Gripp View Post
I wrote a straight query letter; then I wrote this:

In short, you're a lot of help around here for writers. The forum is really lucky to have you, as you're a treasure.

I think I'm done with this clown now. God knows why he thinks he's an authority on writing. And he asked if people spent more time studying writing rather than actually doing so... I think it's obvious he's spent much more time studying it. How's those years of studying and rule following, those rules you hold so dear and try to force onto everyone else, been working out for you, by the way?
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It's amazing. You've got some doofus stomping around the forum, spouting nonsense about rules and telling everyone how it's done -- and he can barely cobble together two coherent sentences. Utterly delusional.
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Please boys...do not side track the thread.

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Over the years I have checked out editors. Preditors and Editors has a list they warn against.
Here is one I found of interset that is not on that list. For what they posted on the bottom of their page...You might find some of this of value.

Qualities of Good Book Editors - EzineArticles Submission ...
Book editors are the people you take your manuscripts to when you want them published. As such, they are just as important as publishers. They are charged ...ezinearticles.com/?Qualities-of-Good-Book-Editors&id=5397856 - Cached


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Please boys...do not side track the thread.
Yes, Red asked us to not take this off-topic. I obliged until you continued to belittle me for missing out one word. You took this off-topic yourself following Red's words.

As for that other post (and it's predators and editors),

Real cute.

Right, I think I'll try and repay the favor, critique wise, for some of today. Then take a hiatus for at least a while. Too much stupidity, arsehole'ish behavior allowed to run rampant for me.

And yes, Joe. He really does have some nerve. It's sad, admirable and annoying all at the same time.
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*Coughs awkwardly*

Cost should come secondary to making sure that an editor specialises in your genre. You wouldn't send a fishing manual off to a scifi publisher, just like you wouldn't send the likes of M/F romance off to a M/M romance editor.

Even if it's for free, if you're going to look at editing outside of a publishing company, dealing with someone who knows your genre is vitally important.
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Please keep this thread on track. No more talking about anything other than editing services. The staff suggest those of you who do not like looking at each others posts use the ignore function!
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Ignoring won't cure the problem though. But very well. Consider it my last post on the topic.

It's not like I care anymore if he says anything, anyway.

Edit: And that's good advice, Whiskers.
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One question:

If you needed heart surgery, would you go to a local med school and find a guy who'd maybe learned some of the basics, but was willing to do your operation for free?
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I think the priority with an editor is that you establish a good working relationship. How much they charge is fairly irrelevant as long as they do a good job.
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