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Old 11-21-2016, 07:06 PM
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a few thoughts form my 94 year old uncle on this part of our government. Very clear.


This explains the vote and why the electoral college is so important

Dear Fellow Americans,

We hear a cacophony of blaring and bleating from the media and the Hillary gaggle that she won the popular vote and therefore she should be president, 60,839,497 to 60,265,847. 47.8% to 47,3% with the remaining 4.9% going to the other candidates. But here are the facts.

Trump won the popular vote in 31 states to her 19 and DC. 62% to her 19%. Trump led in the total popular vote for all states except California. Hillary won California 5,860,714 to Trump’s 3,151,821. 61.6% to 33.1% exclusive of the other candidates. Thus California gave Hillary the popular vote for all states as claimed by the Democrats and their media stooges. But deduct her California vote from her national vote leaving her with 54,978,783, and deduct Trump’s California vote from his national total, leaving him with 57.113.976, he wins in a landslide in the other 49 states, 51.3% to her 48.7%. So, in effect, Hillary was elected president of California and Trump was elected president of the rest of the country by a substantial margin.

This exemplifies the wisdom of the Electoral College, to prevent the vote of any one populace state from overriding the vote of the others. Trump’s Campaign Manager, Kellyanne Conway, whose expertise is polling, saw this early on and devised her strategy of“6 pathways to the White House”. This meant ignoring California with its huge Democrat majority and going after the states that would give him the necessary electoral votes to win, FL, NC, MI, PA, OH, and WI. It worked and our country is safe.







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Wow... I didn't know this.

That's amazing news! Where did you find this info?

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I think the moderator should move this to the intellectual table where we can discuss it properly. NF just doesn't seem right.
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You misspelled "from," but otherwise, this is your best work yet.

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Didn't know if people thought about the electoral system - I really hadn't So I thought I'd share this piece that my uncle wrote. I don't want to discuss it but I'm sure if any lone would like to they could start one.
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So you're an adult who has voted in how many elections and you're just now getting around to figuring out how the electoral college works?

I guess I shouldn't be suprised -- but no wonder things are so fucked up.
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Bush v Gore taught me all I wanted to know about the electoral college, but I'm smarter than most people.
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I recommend this comprehensive and informative video to anyone struggling with the concept of the electoral college:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oyIFqf3XH24

And "smarter than most people" is a pretty low bar. Perhaps you're being modest.
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I wrote this right after the election for my FB page. It was shared quite a bit, and got a lot of positive responses for helping folks understand the EC. Hope it helps here.

I want to say something about the electoral college and why we need it. Because this has been discussed a lot today and will be the target of disgruntled Democrats for weeks and months to come.

Look at this map, the red areas voted Trump, the blue voted Clinton. Looking at this map, without knowing where the big cities are, one would assume Trump won in a huge landslide. And yet, as has been pointed out many times today, Clinton has been winning the popular vote. How can that be? And if she is, how can she be losing the electoral college if it is fair?

This map shows how, for both questions. Her support in the popular vote comes from winning a few densely populated areas. And this is part of why we have the electoral college, so that the densely populated industrial and urban areas will not take control of the country. I live in a state where in terms of state politics we have that exact problem. Several other states do as well. But in state government we do not have an electoral college to protect us and try to balance the playing field. So a couple large metropolitan areas determine the outcome of any state elections. And the rest of the state is forced to go along, even when the decisions are not in their best interests. Because their voices are drowned out by a couple big cities.

Some have said today that because Hillary has been winning the popular vote, that this proves the will of the people was overridden. This map shows otherwise. Because of the electoral college the will of the people was actually protected. Simply wining a lot of votes in a few very big urban areas did not win the election. Because the will of all the people has to be considered, and not just the will of a single large faction. That was the rationale for the electoral college in the first place, and it has shown today how it works. The president must represent the country, the whole country, and must be elected by the whole country, and not just a few densely populated areas.

Much will be made in the coming weeks and months about how unfair the electoral college is. How it "stole" the election from Hillary. How it is based on this ism or that ism. How it is no longer relevant. But each time you hear that stuff, go back to this map. Look at it. Look at all the red territory, a huge overwhelming preponderance of the map is red. Yet without the electoral college, those few blue areas could have made the people in all those red areas irrelevant. That's why we need the electoral college, today more than ever. Because in looking at this map, you will see that the electoral college results mirror much more closely the will of the people (all that red) than did the popular vote.

I am new here so I'm not allowed to post attachments or links, which means I could not include the image from this commentary. Sadly the commentary relies heavily on the image. If anyone wants to see it I will gladly send them the link.
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When you write an informative piece on an often discussed and obvious part of our electoral process and include your bias toward a certain political affiliation in the process, you give up any semblance of credibility you may have had otherwise. It becomes the right monkey philosophy vs the left monkey philosophy. This is especially true if you post it on a writing forum or other site which caters to artists and thinkers.

Facebook is an appropriate venue for this kind of thing, where the masses are dumb and most of them are still interested in the 'game'
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Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post
When you write an informative piece on an often discussed and obvious part of our electoral process and include your bias toward a certain political affiliation in the process, you give up any semblance of credibility you may have had otherwise. It becomes the right monkey philosophy vs the left monkey philosophy. This is especially true if you post it on a writing forum or other site which caters to artists and thinkers.

Facebook is an appropriate venue for this kind of thing, where the masses are dumb and most of them are still interested in the 'game'
Really? From the guy who says "Bush v Gore taught me all I wanted to know about the electoral college"?

Smart ass, insulting responses with no discourse or substance to them? That's all you have to offer? I'd say your offerings are much better suited to Facebook than those of anyone else here. You're comments are almost textbook online style comments, exactly the sort of noise you find on Facebook and other online venues.

Do us all a favor, your right and left monkeys are showing, can you please zip up your pants before you open your mouth next time? Or better yet, just don't open your oh so intellectual mouth. You are no where near as smart as you think you are. And while disagreeing is a right we all have, being insulting, rude and demeaning isn't. It does not make you look smart. It makes you look like a mean spirited, egotistical jerk. OTOH, if that was your goal, job well done.

One other thing, you know nothing about my bias toward any political affiliation. You may think you do, and you may think every thought of yours is worth its weight in gold, but you're wrong, very wrong. On all counts.

Now please go away. I do not have the time or patience for fools like you, and I will not bother myself with responding to you again. There just isn't any upside to it.
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Scathing.

It's about time someone put that guy in his place.

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Really? From the guy who says "Bush v Gore taught me all I wanted to know about the electoral college"?

Smart ass, insulting responses with no discourse or substance to them? That's all you have to offer? I'd say your offerings are much better suited to Facebook than those of anyone else here. You're comments are almost textbook online style comments, exactly the sort of noise you find on Facebook and other online venues.

Do us all a favor, your right and left monkeys are showing, can you please zip up your pants before you open your mouth next time? Or better yet, just don't open your oh so intellectual mouth. You are no where near as smart as you think you are. And while disagreeing is a right we all have, being insulting, rude and demeaning isn't. It does not make you look smart. It makes you look like a mean spirited, egotistical jerk. OTOH, if that was your goal, job well done.

One other thing, you know nothing about my bias toward any political affiliation. You may think you do, and you may think every thought of yours is worth its weight in gold, but you're wrong, very wrong. On all counts.

Now please go away. I do not have the time or patience for fools like you, and I will not bother myself with responding to you again. There just isn't any upside to it.


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Thanks for your response. At least you're not a pussy (assuming you weren't serious about the never responding to fools like me, crybaby, take my ball and go home, now leave me alone comment). We all have those moments where our feelings get hurt and we lash out like children. I do it too but mostly not in a public forum.

Now, to the matter of our disagreement. I think you took my response to your article a little harder than I intended. Yes, I was a bit snarky, but that's because you came to a site for writers who in general are lifelong students of culture, class, character, compassion—and probably a few more C words I'm missing—and delivered what amounts to a junior high school civics lesson. That's like explaining to a group of longtime mothers how to change a diaper. Insulting. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here; maybe you're not as smart as I was giving you credit for.

Yes, Bush v Gore was the last big dust-up over getting rid of the electoral college. Remember? That's when Al Gore won the popular vote and Bush won the college with the help of a Supreme Court decision. If we hadn't been paying attention in Jr. high, and somehow missed it in high school, then we surely can remember all the libs screaming about being robbed of an election by the electoral college. Starting your rebuttal there without sufficient contrast or comparison or any semblance of point didn't work. It just came off as an attempt to insult me, and that didn't work. I enjoy a certain amount of 'who has a bigger dick' games.

In your intro you claimed to have been approached by a conservative magazine for the contribution of articles and information. I'm not sure how a person gets approached by such a publication if they are not in fact a conservative of some stripe (republican, tea party, libertarian, or some 'subtle' mix of this set—all the same). So, sorry if I assumed incorrectly about your political affiliation. Your post was timely in this regard, and it just seemed obvious. And lest you think I'm just a Democrat fighting with a 'righty', let me say here now: both the political left and the political right constitute nothing more than the left right monkey game. Playing it instantly belies a certain naiveté.

My penis hanging out, and your interest in it, also came off like an intended insult that didn't work. If you want to see another mans penis, or have fantasies in that direction, there are better places for it.

I'm not a mean spirited guy. And yes, I do play the smart guy schtick once in a while. I am clever, and I am intelligent but by no means a genius. I respect a writer who can give an original twist to something mundane, but with this post you didn't. There seems to be a distaste for people who are clever and can question the 'reality' of culture and politics. I would caution you against such behavior. It's just a game man; don't take it so seriously.

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Scathing.

It's about time someone put that guy in his place.

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You know I want it.

But yeah, these kinds of "our democracy is working" explanations of the electoral college (yes it's a republic for those who will chime in with an obvious correction) are completely missing the point if they don't include some kind of disclaimer about how the election process and the federal government as a whole is hopelessly corrupt.

"Oh, but it's working just as our founding fathers intended..."

This is all about the delusion that there are significant differences between the two parties, and the illusion of political choice in elections.

In reality, the parties compete on a superficial level to distract and entertain the people, to maintain the pretense of "democracy."

So many Americans believe these elections will result in real political reform, despite a 200 plus year history politicians lying in campaigns about CHANGE and bold new policies etc.

The people who actually control things from behind the curtain take advantage of the tug of war between sides to foster this baseless trust in the political system.

Believing your vote counts promotes that trust — as if changing the politician de jour will fix the system. And of course, it never does.
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You know I want it.

But yeah, these kinds of "our democracy is working" explanations of the electoral college (yes it's a republic for those who will chime in with an obvious correction) are completely missing the point if they don't include some kind of disclaimer about how the election process and the federal government as a whole is hopelessly corrupt.

"Oh, but it's working just as our founding fathers intended..."

This is all about the delusion that there are significant differences between the two parties, and the illusion of political choice in elections.

In reality, the parties compete on a superficial level to distract and entertain the people, to maintain the pretense of "democracy."

So many Americans believe these elections will result in real political reform, despite a 200 plus year history politicians lying in campaigns about CHANGE and bold new policies etc.

The people who actually control things from behind the curtain take advantage of the tug of war between sides to foster this baseless trust in the political system.

Believing your vote counts promotes that trust — as if changing the politician de jour will fix the system. And of course, it never does.


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I could hardly see it in the last one. Maybe use the flash this time -- and a common household object for reference.
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And can a mod please fix the typo in the title of this thread!!! WTF!!!
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You two are much better than Abbott and Costello. Now if you only could recruit wrc, you could challenge The Three Stooges.
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But wrc would have to be Curly -- relegated to slapping himself in the face, making noises and injuring himself.

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just a thought

the electoral college is no mystery to me I understand it and why it exist but I have a question,

if the college is to keep the densely populated areas from taking over then it failed because trump and everyone of his cabinet is part, yea, the core of the densely populated areas business interest.

so it looks like the poor and stupid have again elected a president that is not on their side.


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it is what it is.


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so it looks like the poor and stupid have again elected a president that is not on their side.



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I think the moderator should move this to the intellectual table where we can discuss it properly. NF just doesn't seem right.



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And can a mod please fix the typo in the title of this thread!!! WTF!!!

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Should we do the same thing with all US stats?
Have them represented at an Electoral College level?
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Further to this, each state should pay the amount of taxes based on Electoral College number
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