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Reduce poetry to three poems, as well as three prose, but with a maximum of five pieces 7 29.17%
Reduce poetry and prose to two of each, with a maximum of four 4 16.67%
Reduce overall posting limits to just three pieces in total, poetry or prose 13 54.17%
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Old 02-26-2014, 08:58 AM
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Thanks, Candra. I discovered early on that I can't change my stupid titles. I suppose that's to keep the integrity of the thread, but perhaps allowing changes until the work enters archives would be a good fix.
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I don’t know what settings and choice other people have in place, but when I click on a thread with new replies I get taken to the first one that I have not read. So if somebody posts a revised version of a poem in the thread then the thread will appear marked as containing new posts, and when I click it I get taken to the new posts, so as far as I am concerned no editing of thread titles or PMs needed to let me know that there are new posts to look at in a particular thread.

Also, you can subscribe to threads and be notified if new posts are made.

Now neither method will tell me (without looking) if a revised version of the work was posted instead of further comments and such. So it is not a substitute for the PM proposal above, but I am not sure how useful that would be. I think such method of letting people know that a new version is up is best use amongst friends instead of just the general membership.
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The new post thing is useless as you pointed out because it just means there is a new response. If I've exchanged words with someone who I've critiqued on I'm then not going to continue checking every time.

I don't mind if someone says politely "Have you got time to see if I've addressed the issues you've brought up in my work" or something similar.
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Fair enough, the rechecking of threads with new replies works for me as I look at a lot of threads a lot of time, due to being a staffer, while getting a lot of PM would not work to well as I already get a lot. That is not to say that you cannot PM for help or such if you think I can help.
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This is why I say use the PM system to your advantage. One can tell if they've received a useful critique so perhaps befriend them and try to work out a "critiquing" friendship. You've got their back, they've got your back so to speak. Nothing wrong with asking someone to take a look at your initial prose/poetry or revisions. It's a win-win situation by using the site to your full advantage.
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it looks like three is the limit. oh well. never mind.
when are the rules going to kick off?
and does that mean one can post a bit more poetry until then?
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Yes -- let's see how much poetry you can churn out before the rule kicks in.

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Originally Posted by Nacia View Post
it looks like three is the limit. oh well. never mind.
when are the rules going to kick off?
and does that mean one can post a bit more poetry until then?
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New guidelines will be posted shortly after the poll has ended.

And no, you can't post extra to make up for it. If you do, it'll be deleted, without consultation, since you now know better, Nacia.

But you can have a
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Do you always hand out cookies after you've taken a bite out them?
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A bite out of the poster or the cookie? Likely both from RedTruck. Watch out for them fangs!
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Originally Posted by Redlorry View Post
New guidelines will be posted shortly after the poll has ended.

And no, you can't post extra to make up for it. If you do, it'll be deleted, without consultation, since you now know better, Nacia.

But you can have a
ouch!!
I do like cookies athough only the homemade ones though. haha

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Do you always hand out cookies after you've taken a bite out them?
what you mean half a cookie? depends how big is the bite but then no you can't hand out something after you bitten into it.
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Originally Posted by Franklin View Post
A bite out of the poster or the cookie?
Judging by Nacia's response, I'd say it's the poster.
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Do you always hand out cookies after you've taken a bite out them?
No, I let my dog try them.

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A bite out of the poster or the cookie? Likely both from RedTruck. Watch out for them fangs!
Trucks don't have fangs, silly.

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ouch!!
I do like cookies athough only the homemade ones though. haha
Don't ask silly questions then!

And I actually do bake cookies with a bite missing cookie cutter.
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Originally Posted by Redlorry View Post
Trucks don't have fangs, silly.
I've seen some with awfully toothy-looking grills...
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Originally Posted by Redlorry View Post
No, I let my dog try them.



Trucks don't have fangs, silly.



Don't ask silly questions then!

And I actually do bake cookies with a bite missing cookie cutter.
I just need to add something because I think it is worth saying.
If you limit the posting to three a week then the incentive to go the poetry section means is less and less therefore there will be more and more members less willing to read or/and respond because they are limited to three a week.
this means they will only read, or not, when they have posted. the rest of the week they wont bother because they know they will not be posting.
they wont bother going to the poetry section.
there may be pieces not commented on because of that.
in other words traffic in the poetry section will slow down greatly.
just an idea or my two cents.
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"in other words traffic in the poetry section will slow down greatly."

Win/win.
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Originally Posted by Franklin View Post
"in other words traffic in the poetry section will slow down greatly."

Win/win.
well in way one need to be motivated to go to any section of the forum.
if they know they only have three out of four days a week in posting they will only show up then or not.
in between that that time they wont bother.
readers need to be motivated to read.
where is the incentive when they cant post as often?
but of course this is just an opinion.
you can discard it because it does not matter I said it anyway.
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Nacia, while I appreciate your input, I don't think it's fair to generalise the way you feel about the poetry section to the other members. I know there are a lot of members out there who will be more willing to spend time in the poetry section when it is not the same people who post there over and over again. If someone doesn't want to read others' poems when s/he doesn't post his/her own, that's a shame, but it's not a disaster. Others will take the time between their own postings to get to know the other poets around, and hand out a critique or two while they're at it. Less posting for one person, more critique for all!
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If people are unwilling to read and critique to help others, they can't expect anyone to take time and read their work. The only people who will be disadvantaged are showcasers.

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Truck, I think you meant "unwilling." Respectfully.
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How about people running Writer's Beat, the administration and such, have a section of personal best picks.

why change the limit why not cut to the chase and have a section for good writing and not so good writing, the administration deciding what is what.
that way a person does not have to shift through the muck

people will be pissed
there are times being pissed can be useful and productive
they may strive to do better



I say no limits if you are purely polling

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I never been a big poetry person, but just because I don't like it doesn't mean that others shouldn't get their digs in. I think it's all a matter of how you want to compartmentalize things. It's the "essays" that I find most annoying, which are usually thinly-veiled political ranting, or someone wanting to drivel on about religion. Again, if that's their things then so be it. I just wish I had a way of opting out it, because the next person that says the word 'Benghazi' to my face is getting kicked in the balls. Really, I don't care! I'm a fiction writer, and that's not what I'm here for.

Then, there are others who don't even put in a modicum of effort, expecting readers to wade throw line upon line of mindless blathering. So, as the previous poster was saying, if there was a way to sort through the garbage it would help. Everyone makes mistakes and getting feedback is all part of growth process. "There" vs "their" is not that big of a deal, but sometimes I'm left to wonder "did the writer bother to read their own work at all?" Seriously, read things aloud sometimes and see if it still makes sense.
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Instead of producing an entire magazine, bust up the components and place them into separate threads. That way, you don't have to do all of it at once.

Create a thread called "Critique heard on the Beat." You get what you reward is a mantra in the corporate world. But it's a mantra because it works. Highlight good critiques and you'll see more of them. In fact, have a rotating critique search party made up of both members and staff. While I'm rambling, it makes sense to do this kind of thing in order to virtually extend the staff to other trusted members for the other magazine sections. There are too few of you. Get help from members and just structure how that help is channeled.

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Yes Nacia.

If you vote option 1: Reduce poetry to three poems, as well as three prose, but with a maximum of five pieces - thats a maximum of three poems in a week, but you could also do two prose, or vice versa.

Option 2: Reduce poetry and prose to two of each, with a maximum of four - thats only two poems a week but you can also post two prose as well if you want. But no more than two of each.

Otion 3: Reduce overall posting limits to just three pieces in total, poetry or prose - Three pieces of whatever you want

The object is not only to prevent flooding across the forum, but also to prevent flooding of specific boards. So no matter which option you pick, you will be limited to either two or three pieces of poetry per week and/or two or three pieces of prose per week.
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This is a popular online forum; posts should be limited, more so for newer members.

I would be perfectly happy with even more extreme limitations - massively reducing the amount of posts users may create forces said users to think more about their writing before uploading it.

I'm a returning user (who never contributed much on a different account a while ago) so please take these thoughts with a grain of salt.
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I don't agree with the limitations, certainly not in the poetry section.

I think I posted more than three poems this week, but gave out dozens of crits - I don't think anyone minded. Sometimes, one is more fruitful, and poems can be short little things.

The limit doesn't make a whole lot of sense in the prose areas, either, if you ask me, but for different reasons. Most people aren't that fruitful in prose (given the lengths of passages). I have been on boards with no such limits, and only seen it abused once, a situation that quickly righted itself when a few board members pointed it out to the guy and most of the others stopped critting his work.

A creative forum needs a minimum of rules. These limits may stop the rare over participator, but they would also limit someone who goes on the occasional creative tear, bothering no-one.

"I fear the rules will ruin the game." (Phil Ochs)

Also, it would be nice to be able to edit a thread's title until someone posts a reply - or can they already?
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Hi Lon, you've missed what lead up to this. A few people would post so much that your poem would only be on the all important first page for a day or two. Then, if there were no comment, it made that unstoppable slide into the history of the beat having never been reviewed or read. It was very frustrating. I agree in principle, but the reality was not working. Kirk
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