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should a villain get away with it because of the aim of the story is to show off the main character and not the villain?
if a writer makes a villain do terrible things and then let them go/ get away with it on purpose this could to add a twist to the story. this means the story would outlaw the villain I think.
a short story I had in mind is to write about how a villain did and got away with it. that would be the title.

would you go for it or against it?

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I'd go for it. Life isn't all black and white.
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Life isn't perfect. Actually, most of it is made up of "bad things happening to good people", so therefore good things have to be happening to bad people.

Are you thinking of developing your villain as purely evil or are you thinking of putting a "Byronic hero" element to him/her?
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Life isn't perfect. Actually, most of it is made up of "bad things happening to good people", so therefore good things have to be happening to bad people.
true very well said but is that fair is another question that springs to mind?
I am hesitant about it and yet the idea of the story is tempting.

Are you thinking of developing your villain as purely evil or are you thinking of putting a "Byronic hero" element to him/her?
I am thinking of developing a villain purely based on negative feelings due to his/her background. villainy is a learned behaviour so to speak.
I am still not clear about Byronic hero however. I am trying to understand it still.
the point is how does a reader know the difference between a Byronic hero and a pure villain for example?
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Byronic hero is supposed to be attractive/sexy, dark, mysterious etc I'd say Mr Rochester was one. Usually he has a disability of some description although a case can be made for inner scars.

He reflects how Lord Byron was perceived. He doesn't have to be bad.
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Successful villains go into politics. That's where the easy money in crime exists.
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I'd go for it only if the villain is a good-looker.
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Successful villains go into politics. That's where the easy money in crime exists.
Michael Portello was not a villain
I dislike politics with a vengeance. I wont go there with it I guess.
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Originally Posted by Nacia View Post
true very well said but is that fair is another question that springs to mind?
Life isn't fair, Nacia.

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the point is how does a reader know the difference between a Byronic hero and a pure villain for example?
The point is, is there such a thing as a pure villain?

The guy who beats his wife doesn't do it because he's evil, but most likely because he grew up in an abusive household. I make no excuses for him, but he is a victim of circumstance and upbringing as much as his wife is a victim of his fists.

Everybody's favourite archetypal villain these days is the paedophile. But most abusers (like the wife beater) are victims of abuse themselves. Again, I do not excuse their behaviour in any way and find it as abhorrent as anyone else, but he is a victim. And whilst his sexual taste may make people perceive him as a monster, he is in all likelihood a good husband, maybe a good parent, maybe a pillar of the community in all other ways.

Nobody is pure evil. Good people can do bad things, bad people can do good.
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I'd go for it only if the villain is a good-looker.
LOL there no bad lookers in my books. they have to try really hard to look ugly but in vain they still are amasing looking
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Then I'm game.
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I always love villains who have good intentions, but are forced to make the best of bad situations, and come out on top, smarter and stronger for it.

Vane in the recent series Black Flags, is a good example.
Much gratuitous sex in it, but beyond that, it has great potential.
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