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Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post
Besides, have you read his meditations?

Yes, some.

Insightful.


You familiar with Ur?

That is where I start with buyin' into history.

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Originally Posted by moonpunter View Post
Exactly. The most successful example of the benevolent tyrant though is monotheism.
Are there currently any monothestic B.T.s in power?
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Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post
Besides, have you read his meditations?

Have you read The Epic of Gilgamesh?
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Originally Posted by moonpunter View Post
Exactly. The most successful example of the benevolent tyrant though is monotheism.


Jesus?

He was never a leader of any territory (if he even was historically real).

And Christianity and Islam have a sketchy record with rule.
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I suppose you could be talking about the Jews.
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Have you read The Epic of Gilgamesh?


Yeah... people haven't changed much.
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Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post
Yeah... people haven't changed much.

When taking the large view it is possible to discern a pattern of flow that is self supporting.

It would seem that a river is emptying itself if one stood on its banks and watched.

When that one also knows of evaporation and condensation the knowledge lets them see that the water is simply shifting locales.

I can wonder if the energy that is used to animate people is acting in a similar manner.


So yes, people haven't changed much. They continue to serve the purpose of being people quite well.
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When taking the large view it is possible to discern a pattern of flow that is self supporting.

It would seem that a river is emptying itself if one stood on its banks and watched.

When that one also knows of evaporation and condensation the knowledge lets them see that the water is simply shifting locales.

I can wonder if the energy that is used to animate people is acting in a similar manner.


So yes, people haven't changed much. They continue to serve the purpose of being people quite well.

Mr. Pierce, do you see the effect of watching a lot of Stargate here?
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Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post
Jesus?

He was never a leader of any territory (if he even was historically real).

And Christianity and Islam have a sketchy record with rule.
I'm talking about God, Jehovah, etc. If you believe that stuff God answers to no one and gave us the universe and our lives and oversees everything without any oversight. Benevolent tyranny.

In a purely theoretical exercise one good person would be the most effective because you wouldn't have layers of bureaucracy to interfere with the operation of the system

Just like in a purely theoretical exercise Marxism is a great system. The problem in the real world is greed and corruption make both systems unbeneficial to the masses.
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[QUOTE=moonpunter

I'm talking about God, Jehovah, etc. If you believe that stuff God answers to no one and gave us the universe and our lives and oversees everything without any oversight. Benevolent tyranny.

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So the Great Flood was a demonstration of "God, Jehovah, etc." benevolence?
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Originally Posted by Nick Pierce View Post
So the Great Flood was a demonstration of "God, Jehovah, etc." benevolence?
The God of the Old Testament exists, and built the world in which we live. He is the imperfect God of Gnosticism, petty, greedy, jealous, vindictive, with little empathy etc
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I think he's talking about the post Jesus God. That guy's much nicer. Say, if Jesus was his 'son' then it stands to reason he had to get laid somewhere. Maybe that's what made him less grouchy.
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Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post
I think he's talking about the post Jesus God. That guy's much nicer. Say, if Jesus was his 'son' then it stands to reason he had to get laid somewhere. Maybe that's what made him less grouchy.
All of that is very well but for my god needs I'm subscribing to Crom.
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Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post
I think he's talking about the post Jesus God. That guy's much nicer. Say, if Jesus was his 'son' then it stands to reason he had to get laid somewhere. Maybe that's what made him less grouchy.
Guess you never heard of the Immaculate Conception. What about the Immaculate Reception? 😛
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So the Great Flood was a demonstration of "God, Jehovah, etc." benevolence?
To Christians and Jews it was considered benevolent to wipe away the sin of the old world.
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Originally Posted by moonpunter View Post
To Christians and Jews it was considered benevolent to wipe away the sin of the old world.

Pardon me if I seem like I'm trying to be a Noah it all but didn't the Christians come into being after the flood?
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Guess you never heard of the Immaculate Conception. What about the Immaculate Reception? 😛


Ho ho! Immaculate conception means Joseph didn't get a crack at the hooha, it doesn't say anything about devine 'inter' vention. Wasn't she banged by God disguised as an angel? Well, that's what I heard anyway.
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...and if I know gods, he did it right.
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Ho ho! Immaculate conception means Joseph didn't get a crack at the hooha, it doesn't say anything about devine 'inter' vention. Wasn't she banged by God disguised as an angel? Well, that's what I heard anyway.
Well, if a man must play the cuckold he hit the lottery.
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Ho ho! Immaculate conception means Joseph didn't get a crack at the hooha, it doesn't say anything about devine 'inter' vention. Wasn't she banged by God disguised as an angel? Well, that's what I heard anyway.
I'm pretty sure the Pope would disagree with you.
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Wasn't she banged by God disguised as an angel?

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Joe comes home to find feathers everywhere, even in his wife's hair, and they don't have chicken for dinner.

Shoulda been his first clue somethin' was up, eh?
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Joe comes home to find feathers everywhere, even in his wife's hair, and they don't have chicken for dinner.



Shoulda been his first clue somethin' was up, eh?


That, and the deep lasting smile
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Originally Posted by moonpunter View Post
I'm pretty sure the Pope would disagree with you.


The Pope is a catholic! I am a purist, man!
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That, and the deep lasting smile
Well, if one must be cuckolded I suppose the most defensible no revenge possible posture would be "God did it".


I was just readin' about four Popes that would have had less smirchment on their cassocks if they could have gone that way.
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Well, if one must be cuckolded I suppose the most defensible no revenge possible posture would be "God did it".


I was just readin' about four Popes that would have had less smirchment on their cassocks if they could have gone that way.
That's a good idea, God as a scapegoat. A person could make up a whole heap of sayings to state that God is in full control of all the world's activities, i.e.;

-The Lord works in mysterious ways
-The Lord only helps those who helps themselves
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That's a good idea, God as a scapegoat. A person could make up a whole heap of sayings to state that God is in full control of all the world's activities, i.e.;

-The Lord works in mysterious ways
-The Lord only helps those who helps themselves
To be clear Crom does not do any of that sort of dancing. He ... well a quick Wiki search reveals all one needs to know.
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Like Duterte?

So why can't this guy qualify for the Benevolent Tyrant sobriquet?
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So why can't this guy qualify for the Benevolent Tyrant sobriquet?


He qualifies. He also kills drug addicts and dealers and many of the other 'undesirables' in his society. That's what dictators do. They kill for the good of the nice and honest people out there.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—
And, having studied their techniques, I was ready.

Thus, they do not write this.
I do.


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Evolved the victimism out of the quote.
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He qualifies. He also kills drug addicts and dealers and many of the other 'undesirables' in his society.
A truly benevolent leader would work to rehabilitate the drug addicts and solve the problems that make them turn to drugs in the first place.
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