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Most of my job can be automated, I barely have to think about what I am doing at my place of occupation, it would take a business analyst and an IT professional 3 minutes to think up a system to replace me. My position has reached a level of redundancy. Which had me thinking, firstly, I should not point this out to people, but secondly what am I going to do if people find out?

I was thinking of becoming a professional hermit, most hermits kick back in caves and do stuff like, deliberately remove themselves from sin (which is like cheating), or find a path to spirituality. But I was thinking of setting up myself as a hermit "guru" in a business sense of the word, hence the term "professional" hermit, my role would actually be to help people start out their lives as hermits, rather than people seek me for advice. There is a subtle distinction between the two modus operandi, in the latter people have the impetus to return back to the real world as people with mad skills like karate, but my tuition will only give people mad hermit skills, the ability to live in cave systems of their own, the ability to blend into their cave surroundings, give them tips to help stop mildew from setting in etc.

Anywho, what say you forum users - what are your plans for when the robots take over?

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I would probably become a prolific writer of porn. If the vast majority of the World's population are going to be heading for the hills for a life of darkness, deprivation and subterfuge - they're going to need entertaining. As our new austere homes carved out of rock will be 'off grid' to say the least, I feel confident that your hermits will start mingling and find ways to entertain themselves by the light of their twig fires. In the event that the harsh conditions of hermitage have rendered all parties unkempt, unwashed and desperately needing dental attention, I feel something might be needed to give lust a boost. Should animal attraction occur organically, they can burn my books for extra light and warmth before they channel their inner Barry White. Regardless, it's an occupation that can't be fulfilled by a robot who has neither imagination nor genitals.
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I would probably become a prolific writer of porn. If the vast majority of the World's population are going to be heading for the hills for a life of darkness, deprivation and subterfuge - they're going to need entertaining. As our new austere homes carved out of rock will be 'off grid' to say the least, I feel confident that your hermits will start mingling and find ways to entertain themselves by the light of their twig fires. In the event that the harsh conditions of hermitage have rendered all parties unkempt, unwashed and desperately needing dental attention, I feel something might be needed to give lust a boost. In the event that there is natural attractiveness, they can burn my book for extra light and warmth before they channel their inner Barry White. Regardless, it's an occupation that can't be fulfilled by a robot who has neither imagination nor genitals.
Yes, this is what a lot* of people I have had discussions with believe would be an important industry of an automated future. Good to hear that you will be a survivor. I am going to have to try my hand at erotica.

"Once upon a time there was a guy named "Bill" who had some funny thoughts and started playing with his doodle. When his doodle grew he thought he may have had some allergen on his hands so he washed his hands. But his doodle would not return to its original size. So Bill went next door to his neighbour, an old Russian lady with no teeth and said, "Help me! Help me! I'm allergic to my thoughts...""

*Relative to my opinion of what constitutes a large number of people
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I'm not convinced that computers are capable of the cruel and intelligent domination of man that 'Terminator' painted so vividly. I've only got to lean against the packing area of a self-serve till for the thing to go into meltdown and keep neurotically repeating that "an unexpected item has arrived in the bagging area". Sirens start going off and shop assistants scurry to tap in such a lengthy complicated code that you could easily believe a NASA launch has just been facilitated. Honestly Pickle, I think the way forward in the event of computer take-over is to unite and lean on them.
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My job's almost totally robot proof unless we descend into some post-apocalyptic dark ages.
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Well automation has taken away from innumerable labour intensive or manual occupations. Yet so far we've managed to find other uses for humans. There doesn't seem to be a strict correlation between increased automation and unemployment. If there was, however, that could be problematic.

After all, the robots are producing stuff for us to consume, and if everyone is broke the robots can't sell their product and go out of business.

OK, so you could be a professional hermit, but then how do hermits get paid in a world where humans have become obsolete?

For the inner lazy bastard in all of us here's a proposal which has been on the cards for a while now. Universal credit. Let robots do the work to produce what we want/need and pay the people the aggregate of what the robots would have been paid had they been human. This would require robot enterprise to be a) publicly owned and b) organised and operated by a benevolent group of philosopher kings who would never seek to abuse the tremendous power they would wield -- ie: the means of production and the financial mechanism by which the population is sustained.

Whilst it would be cool to get paid and not have to work, I can't see this working out as nicely as we'd like. In any event I would spend my time generally sunning myself, reading and drinking a lot of Gin and Tonic. I'd travel more and at a stretch get into painting; whatever it was it wouldn't be very ambitious or strenuous
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Robot repairman.
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the ability to live in cave systems of their own, the ability to blend into their cave surroundings, give them tips to help stop mildew from setting in etc.

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Not to kick you in your hovel but are you aware of a cave dwelling populace that has been thriving, oh ... since sometime before Alexander visited, in a little country called Afghanistan?
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Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post
My job's almost totally robot proof unless we descend into some post-apocalyptic dark ages.
Well from what I understand, the humans (that is us) are going to block out the sun using nuclear weaponry, than the robots (that is the robots) are going to use humans as batteries (somehow feeding the humans in absence of photosynthetic and respiratory plant processes used for plant growth, oxygen etc) but make the humans believe they are in a "Matrix", so technically, even if we descend into a post-apocalyptic dark age we can still keep our jobs!

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Well automation has taken away from innumerable labour intensive or manual occupations. Yet so far we've managed to find other uses for humans. There doesn't seem to be a strict correlation between increased automation and unemployment. If there was, however, that could be problematic.

After all, the robots are producing stuff for us to consume, and if everyone is broke the robots can't sell their product and go out of business.

OK, so you could be a professional hermit, but then how do hermits get paid in a world where humans have become obsolete?

For the inner lazy bastard in all of us here's a proposal which has been on the cards for a while now. Universal credit. Let robots do the work to produce what we want/need and pay the people the aggregate of what the robots would have been paid had they been human. This would require robot enterprise to be a) publicly owned and b) organised and operated by a benevolent group of philosopher kings who would never seek to abuse the tremendous power they would wield -- ie: the means of production and the financial mechanism by which the population is sustained.

Whilst it would be cool to get paid and not have to work, I can't see this working out as nicely as we'd like. In any event I would spend my time generally sunning myself, reading and drinking a lot of Gin and Tonic. I'd travel more and at a stretch get into painting; whatever it was it wouldn't be very ambitious or strenuous
Good idea! But you're an optimist though JC, and even though I'm an Optimist-Prime, from my rosy-coloured glasses I can only foresee any idea when subjected to the top of the pyramid being warped beyond recognition, we would be like whores turning tricks for small tokens. It is a good idea though.

As for my hermit-business, it would be based on a crypto-anarchic currency called bartering, people do me favours and I return the favour by giving them some mad hermit skills, reducing their ability to do favours.

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Robot repairman.
But this is an infinite progression, one day you will be a robot repairman, the next day you will be a robot repair-robot repairman, with Moore's law, hours after this you will be a robot-repair robot-repair robot repairman, fewer hours after this and you will be a robot-repair robot-repair robot-repair robot repairman.

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Not to kick you in your hovel but are you aware of a cave dwelling populace that has been thriving, oh ... since sometime before Alexander visited, in a little country called Afghanistan?
Yeah but, they will be in Afghanistan, I will have an extra-Afghanistan monopoly of potential cave hermits wanting mad hermit skills. I figure on average 0.03% of people will want to become cave hermits but most are forced to be non-cave hermits, due to "the system", once the robots take over though the cave real estate market will be flooded by requests, increasing the demand for mad hermit skills.

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I'm not convinced that computers are capable of the cruel and intelligent domination of man that 'Terminator' painted so vividly. I've only got to lean against the packing area of a self-serve till for the thing to go into meltdown and keep neurotically repeating that "an unexpected item has arrived in the bagging area". Sirens start going off and shop assistants scurry to tap in such a lengthy complicated code that you could easily believe a NASA launch has just been facilitated. Honestly Pickle, I think the way forward in the event of computer take-over is to unite and lean on them.
nice post!

My impression is there will be two types of robots, similar to the ones in the stock market now (and for years) the ones to find arbitrage in stock prices from several markets, even for tiny % profit, these are the "for profit" robots but there are also going to be the "let's decrease the casualties on our side while increasing the casualties on their side" robots, and when one of these robots have the capability to create their own algorithm (which they can do now as well) to improve "for profit" or "let's decrease the casualties on our side while increasing the casualties on their side" that's when the lines become blurry.
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Technology has had a big impact on what I do.

I started my career as a graphic designer. A lot of design -- especially web design -- has gotten more template based -- which is automation of sorts.

Logo design is also pretty formulaic these days and thanks to the internet, you can bid out the design and get something for close to nothing.

There are also these internet based "logo contests." You go to a website, enter your specs and company info etc. and a bunch of suckers design a logo -- the one who "wins" makes a couple of hundred bucks at most.

Naturally, print has taken a backseat to online marketing. I still do it, but no one wants to pay very much for it and the production values have taken a nose dive. It's all digital 4 color on shitty paper.

So in several ways, that aspect of what I do has become a commodity. Fortunately, I have a couple of clients who know the value of a unique design and they're willing to pay for it, but otherwise, I've shifted my emphasis to overall branding, communication planning and writing etc.

We still do quite a bit of design, but in some cases, it's almost a loss leader. Oh well.

Wasn't to too hard to see it coming -- but a lot of people didn't. I guess the moral of the story is, always keep your ear to the ground...

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Good idea! But you're an optimist though JC, and even though I'm an Optimist-Prime, from my rosy-coloured glasses I can only foresee any idea when subjected to the top of the pyramid being warped beyond recognition, we would be like whores turning tricks for small tokens. It is a good idea though.
Yeah well you saw me doing to whole anarchic dance. Worth checking out Ayn Rand's analysis of B.F Skinner's 'Beyond Freedom and Dignity' for the way I feel about theoretical benevolent dictatorships. It's fascinating how many different forms the same collectivist vs individual freedom (and dignity) debate takes. These philosopher kings who know what's best for everyone have just never existed. It's a delusion we've been under for a long time imho.

So no a centralised authority which took care of all production on our behalf using robots or people or hyper intelligent genetically engineered earth worms, I'm sure, would be monstrous.
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Technology has had a big impact on what I do.

I started my career as a graphic designer. A lot of design -- especially web design -- has gotten more template based -- which is automation of sorts.

Logo design is also pretty formulaic these days and thanks to the internet, you can bid out the design and get something for close to nothing.

There are also these internet based "logo contests." You go to a website, enter your specs and company info etc. and a bunch of suckers design a logo -- the one who "wins" makes a couple of hundred bucks at most.

Naturally, print has taken a backseat to online marketing. I still do it, but no one wants to pay very much for it and the production values have taken a nose dive. It's all digital 4 color on shitty paper.

So in several ways, that aspect of what I do has become a commodity. Fortunately, I have a couple of clients who know the value of a unique design and they're willing to pay for it, but otherwise, I've shifted my emphasis to overall branding, communication planning and writing etc.

We still do quite a bit of design, but in some cases, it's almost a loss leader. Oh well.

Wasn't to too hard to see it coming -- but a lot of people didn't. I guess the moral of the story is, always keep your ear to the ground...
I need to improve on my graphic skills, do you do some drawing/painting etc as well?

That's good that you saw it coming, that's about where I am now in my career, I can see it coming. I'm like an oocyte that does not want to be impregnated, whoops bad parable, but now I have to do some adaptation. I was thinking of the "if you can't beat them join them route" and actually automate my job before they get a chance.

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Yeah well you saw me doing to whole anarchic dance. Worth checking out Ayn Rand's analysis of B.F Skinner's 'Beyond Freedom and Dignity' for the way I feel about theoretical benevolent dictatorships. It's fascinating how many different forms the same collectivist vs individual freedom (and dignity) debate takes. These philosopher kings who know what's best for everyone have just never existed. It's a delusion we've been under for a long time imho.

So no a centralised authority which took care of all production on our behalf using robots or people or hyper intelligent genetically engineered earth worms, I'm sure, would be monstrous.
Awesome, I will check it out and get back to you, and yes it is an interesting problem, it is a bit like the three-bodied problem in physics multiplied by the set of all sets (Bertrand Russell), an agent is aiming for as much agency as possible whilst been restrained by the social contract, with an independent third party set-up to monitor people's adherence to the social contract.

The best strategy under a contract, if there is an independent third party who will punish people according to their non-adherence, is for the two parties to be collaborative. But the problem is the independent third party also comprises people who are trying to get as much agency possible.

Perhaps the independent third party should be an algorithm and all our assets and resources are electronically fed through, sorted and maintained by this algorithm (the algorithm can be self-tweaking to ensure that stability is maintained). Who maintains the algorithm? A bit like bitcoin, the algorithm is maintained through decentralisation, that is, maintained by us all in an electronic representation of the social contract (how we do this though...).
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All robot/alien/matrix scenarios aside, unless people stop shitting or needing clean water I'm golden.
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The oldest profession might be effected

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ys-study#img-1




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Some in the EU want to grant Robots "Personhood".

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...mmittee-argues

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Proposed rules for robots and AI in Europe include a push for a general basic income for humans, and ‘human rights’ for robots



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I LOL'd at this notion - Sexbots as a cure for feminism.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...logy-objectify

If this trend widens the negative effects will be tremendous.
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I LOL'd at this notion - Sexbots as a cure for feminism.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...logy-objectify

If this trend widens the negative effects will be tremendous.


This trend has already widened. Large swaths of virile young men wanking to the internet having never known the touch or look of a real woman.

My own son is 14, a late bloomer, but not yet interested in the fairer sex—at least not very interested. I've taken to cutting off the internet for days and blaming it on our service provider.
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I need to improve on my graphic skills, do you do some drawing/painting etc as well?

That's good that you saw it coming, that's about where I am now in my career, I can see it coming. I'm like an oocyte that does not want to be impregnated, whoops bad parable, but now I have to do some adaptation. I was thinking of the "if you can't beat them join them route" and actually automate my job before they get a chance.
Hate to admit -- I do a little sketching from time to time -- I even sketch out ideas for work occasionally, but I haven't picked up a brush in years.

There was a time when a designer needed illustration and handwork skills, just to present concepts, but not any more.

I don't know how it is now, but up through the early 2000's the requirements for graphic design at a 4-year school still included a few semesters of drawing, painting color theory etc. I absolutely loved that time and actually changed my major to drawing and painting for one semester -- but then I got cold feat and switched back to graphic design.

I saw it coming to a point -- but I also got some good advice and direction from people in the industry, especially from one guy who was kind of a mentor -- he recognized my abilities beyond design -- and fortunately, I was paying attention.

What exactly are you trying to do with your design skills?

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Yeah well you saw me doing to whole anarchic dance. Worth checking out Ayn Rand's analysis of B.F Skinner's 'Beyond Freedom and Dignity' for the way I feel about theoretical benevolent dictatorships. It's fascinating how many different forms the same collectivist vs individual freedom (and dignity) debate takes. These philosopher kings who know what's best for everyone have just never existed. It's a delusion we've been under for a long time imho.

So no a centralised authority which took care of all production on our behalf using robots or people or hyper intelligent genetically engineered earth worms, I'm sure, would be monstrous.
Jaysus! She doesn't hold back with her criticism does she? Now I am sure I have read criticisms like that before but it certainly is a lost art. The average teenager would have topped themselves if she gave a similar comment on their report card.

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Some in the EU want to grant Robots "Personhood".

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...mmittee-argues
"One could argue that, effectively, a law of the nature proposed in this resolution would grant human rights to robots"

This is an interesting argument, human rights are based on a social contract we have with other people in a society, from another perspective, a person creating (or with ownership of) a robot which does not uphold the tenets of the social contract would most likely result in the person who created (owns) the robot facing imprisonment, rather than the robot, therefore the same argument should be made with regards to IP created by the robot, the person who created (owns) the robot should be given the IP.

But the interesting perspective on this is the same thing does not happen when an entity (such as the government) can act in a manner that will knowingly decrease the welfare of people within a country and/or increase the criminal activity within a country. Usually the individuals who commit the crime are punished and not the entity who is responsible for creating the malaise. Vice versa, with all the preceding sum of ideas of humanity, when a person makes a discovery (with full access to these ideas) they should be compensated but the argument should be that the entity which supported the individual/s should also have access to this discovery. If a person argues that an entity should not be held responsible for the actions of its constituents (if the entity programs the people to respond in a certain way) or that no entity should be granted access to the IP of its constituents (after adequate compensation) then yeah, give the robots human rights.

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Hate to admit -- I do a little sketching from time to time -- I even sketch out ideas for work occasionally, but I haven't picked up a brush in years.

There was a time when a designer needed illustration and handwork skills, just to present concepts, but not any more.

I don't know how it is now, but up through the early 2000's the requirements for graphic design at a 4-year school still included a few semesters of drawing, painting color theory etc. I absolutely loved that time and actually changed my major to drawing and painting for one semester -- but then I got cold feat and switched back to graphic design.

I saw it coming to a point -- but I also got some good advice and direction from people in the industry, especially from one guy who was kind of a mentor -- he recognized my abilities beyond design -- and fortunately, I was paying attention.

What exactly are you trying to do with your design skills?
I have been writing three or four comics for the last five years now, and every time I revisit them I try my hand at a new aspect of comic design, initially I was just going to write the comic and have someone else draw it, but then the someone else became very busy with their own comic (which is understandable), so I have at glacial pace re-familiarised myself with pencilling, inking, colouring, and lettering, and I am at the stage where if a person was going to read my comic they would actually understand what my drawings, etc represent (only just). But! There is one last skill I need to re-familiarise myself with and that is backgrounds. I was thinking of extremely lazy ways of doing it, I am thinking of making some 3D polygons in Blender, moving the camera angle around a bit, taking a screen-shot and then drawing over the top.
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I'm still hoping for those mildew prevention tips. The robot that cooks and cleans at my house seems weak in that area. Come to think of it it's not so hot at cooking and cleaning either. C'mon you lazy bots, get with it. I have novels to write.
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PB -- comics are kind of out of my wheelhouse.

But I do know a lot about illustration and CGI -- if I could see your work I might be able to give you some advice.
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The visual arts are my Achilles heal. I could never draw or paint or sketch anything, ever.

That said... I'd love to see some comics too.
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PB -- comics are kind of out of my wheelhouse.

But I do know a lot about illustration and CGI -- if I could see your work I might be able to give you some advice.
Yeah, the problem is I haven't yet drawn any backgrounds into the comics, just the rough places I want some stuff to appear, but my plan is to find an ultra-lazy method of drawing backgrounds
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Yeah, the problem is I haven't yet drawn any backgrounds into the comics, just the rough places I want some stuff to appear, but my plan is to find an ultra-lazy method of drawing backgrounds


Hey man... I'll draw them for free😀

Hell, I don't even have to see the comics. Won't matter anyway😀
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Yeah, the problem is I haven't yet drawn any backgrounds into the comics, just the rough places I want some stuff to appear, but my plan is to find an ultra-lazy method of drawing backgrounds
Well -- I might be able to offer some expertise on lazy methods of drawing backgrounds -- but I'd need to see something -- just to get an idea of the level of complexity etc.
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