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Icon14 DNA versus SEXUALITY


which defines us best?
our dna or our sexual orientation?

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Our DNA probably has much to do with our sexuality. Probably most of it, despite psychological issues/problems/disorders.

...Probably not a popular opinion these days.
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I would argue neither. As Brian said, our DNA probably dictates our sexuality. I would argue that our physiology is more important. i.e. are you physiologically male or female?

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Originally Posted by Chinspinner View Post
I would argue neither. As Brian said, our DNA probably dictates our sexuality. I would argue that our physiology is more important. i.e. are you physiologically male or female?
LOL can't you tell?? I am female through and through haha.
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LOL can't you tell?? I am female through and through haha.
Honestly no, You could be a talking dolphin wired up to some Black Ops talking experiment for all I know. I know that you seem quite open and interesting, That's about it.
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Honestly no, You could be a talking dolphin wired up to some Black Ops talking experiment for all I know. I know that you seem quite open and interesting, That's about it.
LOL I am just your average female who take interest in everyone else around me.
In other words if life passes me by I won't pass it by.
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I see this as a 45 degree offshoot of a nature versus nurture discussion. You're DNA is the raw clay of your life.
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Originally Posted by Mohican View Post
I see this as a 45 degree offshoot of a nature versus nurture discussion. You're DNA is the raw clay of your life.


Raw clay? Hmm, I think itís probably more than that. Have you found a way to mold DNA? If so, there are some scientists whoíd very much like to speak with you.
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Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post
Raw clay? Hmm, I think it’s probably more than that. Have you found a way to mold DNA? If so, there are some scientists who’d very much like to speak with you.
My issue with using DNA per se is that it has many impacts, i.e. physical attributes, sexuality, gender, mental traits, health, longevity... etc, the list is long.

Basically DNA is individualistic and does not subscribe to groups, unless the groups are so multifarious as to be individualistic. If we are to place people in broad groups, then physiology is the only meaningful way to do so, i.e people's functions as an organism, which is why gender is a valid discrimination (meant in the non-triggering sense of the word; not to mean that one belonging to one group or the other should be discriminated against) and many other physical, mental, religious, political attributes or affiliations are less so.

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Originally Posted by Chinspinner View Post
My issue with using DNA per se is that it has many impacts, i.e. physical attributes, sexuality, gender, mental traits, health, longevity... etc, the list is long.

Basically DNA is individualistic and does not subscribe to groups, unless the groups are so multifarious as to be individualistic. If we are to place people in broad groups, then physiology is the only meaningful way to do so, i.e people's functions as an organism, which is why gender is a valid discrimination (meant in the non-triggering sense of the word; not to mean that one belonging to one group or the other should be discriminated against) and many other physical, mental, religious, political attributes or affiliations are less so.
Why do you want to place people into groups, surely the idea would be Ďno groupí I mean peopleís physiology changes, we adapt, itís subjective to both self and others, labeling can cause physiological change through expectation.
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Originally Posted by anna View Post
Why do you want to place people into groups, surely the idea would be Ďno groupí I mean peopleís physiology changes, we adapt, itís subjective to both self and others, labeling can cause physiological change through expectation.
I don't, but certain groups are kinda necessary. Womb or not a womb?

I hoped I had explained my point better Anna, I hate grouping people, but if you have an evolved biological function, are we supposed to pretend it does not exist?
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... womble

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... womble

Probably the most sensible comment in this thread
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Originally Posted by Chinspinner View Post
I don't, but certain groups are kinda necessary. Womb or not a womb?

I hoped I had explained my point better Anna, I hate grouping people, but if you have an evolved biological function, are we supposed to pretend it does not exist?
Seemingly so, perhaps weíre going through a bottleneck, this isnít very helpful of me perhaps. Iím sorry. Went on a road trip lately and came across many wombs who were fearful to disclose how man-loving and feminine and home-making they felt to be. Like that had become politically incorrect, a mine field. Sad, shrugs.
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Seemingly so, perhaps weíre going through a bottleneck, this isnít very helpful of me perhaps. Iím sorry. Went on a road trip lately and came across many wombs who were fearful to disclose how man-loving and feminine and home-making they felt to be. Like that had become politically incorrect, a mine field. Sad, shrugs.
Please for the love of my sanity, identify when you are being sarcastic.
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Originally Posted by Chinspinner View Post
Please for the love of my sanity, identify when you are being sarcastic.
... um, no sarcasm spinny, we all liked to be mumsies too, time spent with kids, it was a mega revelation every time - almost confessional because societal expectations are so different to how we felt to be.
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... um, no sarcasm spinny, we all liked to be mumsies too, time spent with kids, it was a mega revelation every time - almost confessional because societal expectations are so different to how we felt to be.
Lost you there, but thx, I think?
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Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post
Raw clay? Hmm, I think itís probably more than that. Have you found a way to mold DNA? If so, there are some scientists whoíd very much like to speak with you.
Actually there is the term designer baby. Isn't that close to DNA moulding?
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Originally Posted by Chinspinner View Post
Lost you there, but thx, I think?
What lost you? Simply a group of like minded women who loved men, home making and spending time with family. Shrugs.

Can you not recognise that?

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What lost you? Simply a group of like minded women who loved men, home making and spending time with family. Shrugs.

Can you not recognise that?

No, whatever floats your boat. I was slightly confused by your wording, but I think I get it now knowing your motive.
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um, whatís my motive?

need there be one, simply saying

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um, whatís my motive?

need there be one, simply saying

Not motive in a negative way, just a simple summation of facts.
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Actually there is the term designer baby. Isn't that close to DNA moulding?


The CRISPR science is in its infancy
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The CRISPR science is in its infancy
yes I think it will need to lose its head before it loses everyone else.
CRISPR sounds more like a CRISIS no need for PR. There is even an ISIS in there. It is telling.
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yes I think it will need to lose its head before it loses everyone else.
CRISPR sounds more like a CRISIS no need for PR. There is even an ISIS in there. It is telling.


Um... yeah?

Having a little champagne this evening, dear?
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My grandmother used to think that as long as she was drinking champagne or some kind of fancy liqueur, she could could get plastered and no one would notice.
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My grandmother used to think that as long as she was drinking champagne or some kind of fancy liqueur, she could could get plastered and no one would notice.


Works with micro brew beers too these days
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Um... yeah?

Having a little champagne this evening, dear?
No I have not started yet it is too early for that and champagne is rather expensive I can't afford it .
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My grandmother used to think that as long as she was drinking champagne or some kind of fancy liqueur, she could could get plastered and no one would notice.
Now where did she get that from?
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The champagne monster went off to attack another acronym, sorry.
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