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Originally Posted by Cityboy View Post
They are interested only in numbers and the loudest shouters couldn't care less about discovering "truths." They are much more harmful than the old Santa and the innocent bunny.

The best advice is to seek himself/herself. Don't follow someone because they shout louder. Remember, truth stands alone and isn't noisy.
Right, because "the creator impregnating a teenage girl, so that their son could be killed to remove a curse caused because a woman was tricked into eating a magic piece of fruit by a talking snake" is the truth.

Isn't truth based on facts?

And where is the evidence to support these supposed "facts"?
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Right, because "the creator impregnating a teenage girl, so that their son could be killed to remove a curse caused because a woman was tricked into eating a magic piece of fruit by a talking snake" is the truth.

Isn't truth based on facts?

And where is the evidence to support these supposed "facts"?
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Old 07-04-2018, 05:31 PM
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“If what Jesus said was good, what can it matter whether he was God or not?” -- Kurt Vonnegut (who's up in heaven now, or at least, that's his favorite joke)
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In June, 1981, the Blessed Mother began communicating with six children in Medjugorje. Today, one of the biggest Catholic shrines is at the spot. Her presence is still felt there and thousands of healings have taken place.

Our Lady of Kibebo appeared to African school children during the early 1980s foretelling the Rwanda genocide. Today a shrine stands in that location.

Why all this venomous hate towards Christianity? Loosen up the bolts in your head and do some unbiased research. You'll be amazed at the "facts" you'll discover.
None of this is evidence for the "supposed facts" of the Christian narrative mentioned in the OP. This post is completely useless in that regard.
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Old 07-05-2018, 04:33 AM
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Open a window to let some fresh air inside.
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Open a window to let some fresh air inside.
did you mean draw the curtains the window is already open?
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did you mean draw the curtains the window is already open?

What I meant was

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What I meant was that he's wound too tightly around his own stale thoughts. He's supposed to be an artist, a writer, someone who is creative. There isn't anything creative about despising a group of people for no good reason. Now, if he's fifteen or under, he's due an apology. But, if he's older, he needs to grow up fast, really fast.
There's a difference between hating the disease and the one who's fallen victim to it. Do I despise people who have cancer? Nope, not at all. I feel for them. But do I hate cancer? Yup.

In the same way, I view religion and religious people. They're victims of terrible mind viruses.

Christians have a phrase: "Hate the sin; love the sinner." Maybe that could be altered to: "Hate the religion; love the religious people."
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There's a difference between hating the disease and the one who's fallen victim to it. Do I despise people who have cancer? Nope, not at all. I feel for them. But do I hate cancer? Yup.

In the same way, I view religion and religious people. They're victims of terrible mind viruses.

Christians have a phrase: "Hate the sin; love the sinner." Maybe that could be altered to: "Hate the religion; love the religious people."
what is the difference between
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There's a difference between hating the disease and the one who's fallen victim to it. Do I despise people who have cancer? Nope, not at all. I feel for them. But do I hate cancer? Yup.

In the same way, I view religion and religious people. They're victims of terrible mind viruses.

Christians have a phrase: "Hate the sin; love the sinner." Maybe that could be altered to: "Hate the religion; love the religious people."
You're good for a laugh. Comedy, that's your ticket outta this place.

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Old 07-06-2018, 09:30 AM
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You're good for a laugh. Comedy, that's your ticket outta this place.
Yeah, I know. Believers don't like atheists and agnostics' views of them and their religions. Just the way it is, though, isn't it?
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Yeah, I know. Believers don't like atheists and agnostics' views of them and their religions. Just the way it is, though, isn't it?

Shed some light on your statement:

According to your logic, a religious fanatic who has no regard for science and believes it is a poison for mankind would be justified in considering you as a victim of a terrible disease. How extreme is that?
 

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Shed some light on your statement:

According to your logic, a religious fanatic who has no regard for science and believes it is a poison for mankind would be justified in considering you as a victim of a terrible disease. How extreme is that?
 
I would just consider them delusional.
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I would just consider them delusional.
That's the point -- with that train of thought, you yourself are delusional.


When your train stops at the station, hop off and board another because if you don't, you'll remain in a dark tunnel your entire life -- thinking as you currently do. You're an extremist and completely unaware.
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That's the point -- with that train of thought, you yourself are delusional.
No, I live in reality.

And a fact of reality is that all religions were invented in some old guys' imaginations. They just made it all up, and now many believe those fictions to be true.

And that's the truth of the matter.
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No, I live in reality.

And a fact of reality is that all religions were invented in some old guys' imaginations. They just made it all up, and now many believe those fictions to be true.

And that's the truth of the matter.
Truth? You're starting to sound like Jim Jones.
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Truth? You're starting to sound like Jim Jones.
Wanna join my cult? Founding members get more sexual privileges. *wink wink*
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I really like the way Jesus shows up from time to time on tortillas and toast etc. That's very cool.
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Yeah - you don't see Buddha or Mohamed popping up in water stains on the ceiling or in cow patties, do you?

Now who's the only one?

On a more serious note, Cityboy, what if it were proven that all spirit contacts were orchestrated by players in a game of which we are a part?

What if the whole charade were to be exposed, with the players introducing themselves and showing us the whole layout, explaining the rules, and teaching us how to play?

Would you be willing to accept that you were wrong, that you'd been taken by tricksters, and would you be able to accept your new reality?

And meanwhile,, how do you reconcile your claim to Christianity, while espousing communication with the spirits of the dead? Is not that expressly forbidden by God?
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Originally Posted by E. Zamora View Post
I really like the way Jesus shows up from time to time on tortillas and toast etc. That's very cool.
are they the limited edition ones?
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flying tart that is totally unnecessary I am trying to read and it is in the way.
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Originally Posted by E. Zamora View Post
I really like the way Jesus shows up from time to time on tortillas and toast etc. That's very cool.


In 1997 when my oldest daughter was four, I was making her toast and when it popped up there was an image of the Virgin Mary emblazoned on the bread. I called my local bishop (my wife is a devout Catholic), and was granted a meeting the next day.
The bishop was a really nice guy, sort of a cross between Mr. Rogers and Robert Deniro in Goodfellas. I didn’t go often to downtown Phoenix, but that’s where his office was so I went.

I was smoking a lot of weed in those days and prone to paranoia, well, I didn’t think of it as paranoia, but an acute awareness of what might be going on wrong in the world—there’s a difference. I counted thirteen doves looking at me, on my walk from the parking garage to the small offices in back of the church. It felt like they knew.

I carried the toast in a plastic sandwich bag and pulled it out of my pocket every so often to make sure the image was still there. It was. It was unmistakeable. She looked like a sixteenth century etching, and she seemed to be smiling at me. Not just any smile, but one that said: I know you, and I love you anyway.

The offices were smaller than I expected, less ornate. They were just like small offices everywhere. Bishop Arno had a picture of himself with the Pope on his desk, and a reproduction of a famous painting by Caravaggio of Christ praying at Gethsemane behind him. I’d seen lots of paintings by the master, and this one seemed like not his best work. There was something forced about it.

The bishop was seated when I came in; the door was open. At first I thought it was going to be really weird, but he was immediately disarming. “Mr. Patrick, welcome. When I got your message I was intrigued. Did you bring the, uh toast?”

Now, this was ‘97. We’d just bought our daughters that Nintendo 64 gismo and the Pokémon Snap game. It was where you rode around on a train and snapped pictures of different Pokémon. One of our neighbors had been telling my wife that Pokémon was actually a demonic invention, corrupting the minds of young children in America. I wasn’t sure about that, but as I pulled the toast out of my pocket, I wondered if this whole thing was being influenced by the devil. Maybe we’d fucked-up, and were under the influence of Satan. The bishop would know, wouldn’t he? Surely if this were the case he’d see it and help, right?

“Yeah, I was sure who to call when I found it. I mean, who else, right?” I placed the bag on the desk, head toward me, and stepped back a little. I wanted him to get a good unhindered look. I wanted it to be a miracle, a holy sign. God was such a strange and complicated idea. Virginia believed with all her being, and I loved her. There must be some overlap in there.

“I really want to thank you for taking this seriously,” said bishop Arno. “Miracles come around so infrequently.”

“So, this is a miracle, then?”

“Now, now, I didn’t say that yet. Let me see.” He looked for maybe a minute. He followed the lines, widened his eyes at the edges, and said hmm... several times. He dipped his shoulder like a weight lifter and scratched his chin. “I can see maybe what you see here, but maybe you could...”

“Show you?” I said. I traced the outline of the blessed virgin with my index finger.

“Yes, I see that.” he said. “I see what you saw. But I’m not sure this qualifies as a miracle. There are strange coincidences in life and this might be one of them. We may need to wait for another sign. Meanwhile if you don’t mind, I’d like to send this off to Rome. Have you taken a picture of it for posterity?”

“Posterity?” I asked.

“Something to remember it by. They don’t often return these things.”

“I didn’t think to take a picture. I’m sure whatever you guys decide will be good enough for me. You’re the experts.”

“Very well Mr. Patrick,” he said. “I’ll keep you informed. And again, thank you for bringing this to my attention.”

For the next while I kept asking my wife if she’d heard anything from Father Mike, but there was never any word. I should have taken that picture after all.
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That's a really good story!

BTW, I looked at my dog's butt. It doesn't look anything like Jesus. More like Mike Pence.
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brianpatrick, you went to see a priest to check if your toast was a miracle? I thought you were beyond that sort of nonsense. I'm disappointed in you.
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You're right. That was a waste of perfectly good toast.
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Originally Posted by E. Zamora View Post
That's a really good story!

BTW, I looked at my dog's butt. It doesn't look anything like Jesus. More like Mike Pence.
Maybe you should start worshipping Mike Pence.
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brianpatrick, you went to see a priest to check if your toast was a miracle? I thought you were beyond that sort of nonsense. I'm disappointed in you.


Ha ha, Not a priest, a bishop. They got bigger balls.

Actually, this is part of a longer Brian and Virginia story I wrote a while ago. When E. Z. posted the wise-crack I remembered it, and thought it would be funny.
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