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Einstein and Religion, Princeton 1999, p. 48.)

'Then there are the fanatical atheists whose intolerance is the same as that of the religious fanatics, and it springs from the same source. They are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who - in their grudge against the traditional "opium for the people" - cannot bear the music of the spheres. The Wonder of nature does not becomes smaller because one cannot measure it by the standards of human moral and human aims.' (ibid, p. 97.)



As happens so often, the atheist goes into a rant without thinking about what he is saying, so let's deconstruct this little gem:

'Atheism is freedom, not oppression.' - Tell that to the millions who died and the tens of millions who suffered as a result of the actions of atheistic totalitarian regimes in the 20th century. Atheism as a form of personal belief may be acceptable, but as soon as it takes on a public character it becomes nihilistic, destructive and anti-human.


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Remember Einstein (can't be bothered looking it up) said word to the effect of "God does not roll dice" when referring to quantum mechanics. We can all be wrong.
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Einstein didn't want to be bothered with angry, cross-burning atheists. They wanted to use him, and he knew it well. He described himself as agnostic.
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Einstein didn't want to be bothered with angry, cross-burning atheists. They wanted to use him, and he knew it well. He described himself as agnostic.
No, you have missed the point by a wide margin. He did not believe that quantum mechanics was random... which is a million miles away from your false statement.
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I didn't miss any point ... I just read "his" quotes. He didn't want to be associated with any whacked-out atheists who only wanted to use him.

Now, do you want to speak for him too. My false statement happens to be his quote.


The bigotry of the nonbeliever is for me nearly as funny as the bigotry of the believer. Einstein

Just because you believe in something does not mean that it is true.

Albert Einstein

“I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds… The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn’t know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God.”

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I didn't miss any point ... I just read "his" quotes. He didn't want to be associated with any whacked-out atheists who only wanted to use him.

Now, do you want to speak for him too. My false statement happens to be his quote.
Ok, I'm out
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Experiment. Don't take anybody's word. "I'm out" is a copout.

Get yourself a Ouija board. Use it for a month ... delve. Then come back and report your findings to me. INSTEAD of just shooting off your mouth and trying to look scholarly.

EFFORT, my friend. Just might penetrate your closed mind. who knows? You may inch closer to truth.
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Experiment. Don't take anybody's word. "I'm out" is a copout.

Get yourself a Ouija board. Use it for a month ... delve. Then come back and report your findings to me. INSTEAD of just shooting off your mouth and trying to look scholarly.

EFFORT, my friend. Just might penetrate your closed mind. who knows? You may inch closer to truth.


Ouija board? You mean the ones made by Hasbro?
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No, you have missed the point by a wide margin. He did not believe that quantum mechanics was random... which is a million miles away from your false statement.
Good sign. It shows you have respect for a genius and stand by his words. Well, Now, let me introduce another genius who Einstein himself referred to as the most "intelligent" man on the planet.

The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.





The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.


The quotes above belong to Nikola Tesla. My point being, if you don't mind putting your eggs in Einstein's basket, you certainly wouldn't mind putting them in Tesla's basket, a man Einstein referred to as the most intelligent.

"Non-physical phenomena." It other words, just because "you" cannot see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Okay, now tell me Tesla's crazy too. You "want out" again. Suit yourself. The truth isn't going anywhere anyhow. You have a lifetime in front of you. Maybe you'll stumble. Who knows? In the meantime, hitch your wagon to the other two geniuses -- Konan & BP.
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Funny how atheists and believers both cherry pick Einstein to flog their things.

And yes, Tesla was kind of crazy.
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My aunt is a believer in all things paranormal.

So I asked her, if there was irrefutable, physical evidence of the paranormal, what science would be upended, what scientists would lose their jobs and why wouldn't it just open up other areas of investigation based on that evidence?

Silence.

The idea that scientists are actively suppressing investigation or evidence of the paranormal is kind of ridiculous. To what end? I think they just have better things to do.
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Enter, another genius.

Forget about your aunt, scientists, Einstein, and Tesla for a moment.

Just research and experiment yourselves. You cannot be that lazy? There are so many avenues available today to explore the supernatural -- if you really want to. But, most of you are completely satisfied with taking the word of people who know really squat.


Tesla wasn't crazy. Though you might be for saying one of the brightest individuals of his time is. Why do you denounce or mock anyone who disagrees with your beliefs? Your beliefs don't represent any universal truths. Just thoughts lingering in your own puny mind, nothing more or nothing less.

2018 -- you seem to live such sheltered lives.

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Cityboy:

Why don't you try to answer the question I asked my aunt?

It's really at the very core of what you believe; that science is somehow in opposition to belief in the paranormal or a belief in God etc.

Don't dodge or sidetrack. Go ahead, take a stab at it.

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Cityboy:

I'm guessing you really haven't looked into Tesla's life beyond pulling a few quotes that suit your fancy.

Doesn't take away from his discoveries that had amazing practical applications, but when it came to the more esoteric, he was a bit nuts.

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Originally Posted by E. Zamora View Post
Why don't you try to answer the question I asked my aunt?

It's really at the very core of what you believe; that science is somehow in opposition to belief in the paranormal or a belief in God etc.

Don't dodge or sidetrack. Go ahead, take a stab at it.


You obviously havenít read The Men Who Stare at Goats by Jon Ronson.
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I saw the movie. Does that count?
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Heh, no. Movies are almost never as good as the books.
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Originally Posted by Cityboy View Post
Enter, another genius.


2018 -- you seem to live such sheltered lives.
Have you ever entered into an exchange without personal insults and assumptions?

Maybe you should try it sometime.
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Heh, no. Movies are almost never as good as the books.
Hah. I'm pretty familiar with real life project on which it was based.
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Cityboy:

I'm wondering, what are the benifits of your beliefs as far as how you conduct yourself?

Because here, you come off as very argumentative and agressive, almost the opposite of people I know who have a true faith that leads to some kind of contentment.

If you see yourself as some kind of online warrior/advocate for the supernatural, it seems to me you are shooting yourself in the foot.

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Tesla wasn't crazy.


Maybe not by the clinical definition, but he had some serious problems. The fact he was a genius doesnít mean he was not wrong about a lot of things. He also said a lot of outlandish things just to further his ambitions, goals. How much of them he actually believed is debatable.
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He had a love affair with a pidgeon.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Time for an ice breaker me think.
Or dedicate a thread on how to argue consistently about anything and everything.
Call it let's the Let's Argue Thread to annoy everyone that reads it.
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Originally Posted by E. Zamora View Post
He had a love affair with a pidgeon.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.


Pigeons can be very sexy. Theyíre also little teasing bitches. They lure you in with wild sexual flirtations and then leave you cold and helpless, and sleeping on a park bench.
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Pigeons are okay.

Get yourself a pint of vodka (for yourself) and loaf of Wonderbread, (for the pidgeans, mostly) and you can have a pretty good afternoon on that park bench.

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Pigeons are okay.

Get yourself a pint of vodka (for yourself) and loaf of Wonderbread, (for the pidgeans, mostly) and you can have a pretty good afternoon on that park bench.


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Benefits.

I don't need any support from Einstein or Tesla to know there is an afterlife. I'm assuming your aunt is a believer by faith. Well, my belief stems from a bit more than faith. I've had the privilege to be around people who have communicated with spirits and have communicated with them myself. I'm not trying to persuade you or anybody else here. I'm just trying to tell you that you are ignoring the truth. But, I'm not twisting arms. There is a difference from believing (as you do) and knowing (as I do). Keep believing as you desire. As I stated earlier, the truth isn't going anywhere. And it's quite possible you'll stumble across it before you're done here.

Aggressive, that isn't me. I just call them as I see them. That's another area where you have it all wrong. Good luck.

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Oh goodeeee! Another pointless bickerfest about God.

Now all we need is the Dogís Arse Messiah to put in an appearance.
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The only thing more pointless than a bickerfest about God is when someone comes along and says "Oh goodeeee! Another bickerfest about God."
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