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Old 08-04-2018, 09:48 AM
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How does one know what is tolerant and what isn't?
Speech is form of discourse and not a court for thought.
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Old 08-04-2018, 09:54 AM
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How does one know what is tolerant and what isn't?
Speech is form of discourse and not a court for thought.
Agreed, would you consider us currently tolerant?
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Agreed, would you consider us currently tolerant?
are we talking in general here?
If so then it is not about tolerance but choice.
When something has been said it is too late but if it keeps coming back and allowed so then there is no point in discussing tolerance in s any way shape or form.
It is not about what was said it is about whether it has been dealt with or corrected.
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Old 08-04-2018, 10:34 AM
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are we talking in general here?
If so then it is not about tolerance but choice.
When something has been said it is too late but if it keeps coming back and allowed so then there is no point in discussing tolerance in s any way shape or form.
It is not about what was said it is about whether it has been dealt with or corrected.
I struggle with this a little because it is a moving line; that a second wave feminist who does not believe transgender people are women, should be banned from an English campus terrifies me. That genuinely terrifies me.
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Old 08-04-2018, 10:44 AM
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I struggle with this a little because it is a moving line; that a second wave feminist who does not believe transgender people are women, should be banned from an English campus terrifies me. That genuinely terrifies me.
Where did you get that from?
Obviously if it is coming from a woman she must be feeling threatened otherwise I cant think of another idiotic reason. Do you?
I mean I remember watching this program about this woman suggesting that transgender are a threat to kids. It makes no sense.
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Where did you get that from?
Obviously if it is coming from a woman she must be feeling threatened otherwise I cant think of another idiotic reason. Do you?
I mean I remember watching this program about this woman suggesting that transgender are a threat to kids. It makes no sense.
Really? She is very famous Germaine Greer
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Really? She is very famous Germaine Greer


Like trying to clean up a large pile of pink feathers with a leaf blower, no?
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No, serious? I have a lot of respect for Germain Greer?
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Originally Posted by Chinspinner View Post
No, serious? I have a lot of respect for Germain Greer?


No, Nacia... I don’t know much about GG.
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Old 08-04-2018, 12:32 PM
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No, Nacia... I don’t know much about GG.
don't you haha?
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Originally Posted by Chinspinner View Post
Really? She is very famous Germaine Greer
To be fair the name rings the bell. I did look her up and yes I recognise her I just was not aware she was involved in this kind of subject. She knows nothing of it she is just another ignorant one and for a writer she is embarrassing she should keep a lid on it . Just saying.
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Like trying to clean up a large pile of pink feathers with a leaf blower, no?
yep but I personally keep feathers pink and tidy. We would not want a blower would we ?!
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To be fair the name rings the bell. I did look her up and yes I recognise her I just was not aware she was involved in this kind of subject. She knows nothing of it she is just another ignorant one and for a writer she is embarrassing she should keep a lid on it . Just saying.
I do not like to disagree, but I have to, Germane Greer is a second wave feminist who earned you many of your current freedoms. I adore her.
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I do not like to disagree, but I have to, Germane Greer is a second wave feminist who earned you many of your current freedoms. I adore her.
Did she know? I have got my own freedoms I never needed her personally for any of my choices. I think if you are to earn respect you have to show respect and I am afraid on this very topic of transgender which is all about freedom she has bluntly failed miserably.
Anyway I hate to upset the apple cart I am not sure what feminism is all about. She is a woman anyway why does she need to prove she is one is beyond my logics.
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Nacia, she earned her respect before you were born. I know this sounds excessive, but how dare you in all your sellf-important, young narcissism, try to tear down a very important and gifted person (who I do not agree with), but what the hel have you achieved in you life that gives you the right to tear down someone as important as her? Ugh, trying not to be angry.

Sorry, that was unfair to Nacia, apologies

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Originally Posted by Chinspinner View Post
Nacia, she earned her respect before you were born. I know this sounds excessive, but how dare you in all your sellf-important, young narcissism, try to tear down a very important and gifted person (who I do not agree with), but what the hel have you achieved in you life that gives you the right to tear down someone as important as her? Ugh, trying not to be angry.

Sorry, that was unfair to Nacia, apologies
well in fairness to both of you, Narcia can form her own ideas and views but as you lament - it’s kinda useful to be open to debate

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well in fairness to both of you, Narcia can form her own ideas and views but as you lament - it’s kinda useful to be open to debate

Yes, I was very wrong there.
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I think there are two Overton WIndows. One belonging to liberal academics, media types, SJWs and then one belonging to The People.
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Yes, I was very wrong there.
|I have no intrerest in anyonwe who thinks they are "right" because that is religious levels of arse-holeship. I literally have no time for these social media wankers these days.
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|I have no intrerest in anyonwe who thinks they are "right" because that is religious levels of arse-holeship. I literally have no time for these social media wankers these days.
... isn’t that just how the Overton window can be shifted with little or no debate
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... isn’t that just how the Overton window can be shifted with little or no debate
Back in the room, sorry, Mr Coke wanted to join in. Yes, sort of, the Overton woindow is generally a product of over-privileged fuck nuts with no clue what real life is, who yet have the sheer audacity to lecture us all from their lectur of ignorance, ouch I hate the Hollywood rape culture.
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Nacia, she earned her respect before you were born. I know this sounds excessive, but how dare you in all your sellf-important, young narcissism, try to tear down a very important and gifted person (who I do not agree with), but what the hel have you achieved in you life that gives you the right to tear down someone as important as her? Ugh, trying not to be angry.

Sorry, that was unfair to Nacia, apologies
No need to apologise if that is what you adore then so be it.

My point is this :
one must always try and raise the standards so life is slightly easier to bare but in this case she who is in a position to improve views instead puts transgender down.
That is not what literature is about.
Transgender is already very sensitive subject and it is not down to her to criticise or slate.
She is a writer she ought to know better. Her role is to raise standard not push it down to a level of ignorance which insights hatred and violence.
She obviously has not got it in her and that is how I feel.
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... isn’t that just how the Overton window can be shifted with little or no debate
Back in the room, sorry, Mr Coke wanted to join in. Yes, sort of, the Overton woindow is generally a product of over-privileged fuck nuts with no clue what real life is, who yet have the sheer audacity to lecture us all from their lectur of ignorance, ouch I hate the Hollywood rape culture.

Ok Nacia's trivial treatment of GG is something I cannot abide. I am seriously losing my temper over the sheer lack of respect from an over-privileged stain who does not understand what GG had to overcome.

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GG has a point about men self identifying as women. There are instances where it puts women at risk, for example in female changing rooms. What’s to stop a predatory male claiming to be transgender so he can get access to vulnerable women?

If a bloke wants to be a woman that’s his choice but the nuts have to come off before I share a changing cubicle with him.
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GG has a point about men self identifying as women. There are instances where it puts women at risk, for example in female changing rooms. What’s to stop a predatory male claiming to be transgender so he can get access to vulnerable women?



If a bloke wants to be a woman that’s his choice but the nuts have to come off before I share a changing cubicle with him.


I suppose there would be some instances of this, but I doubt it would become an alarming trend. There are cannibal serial killers who will cut your liver out and eat it if given the chance, but nobody sits up nights worrying about that.
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How do you know what women worry about? I couldn’t give a flying fuck about alarming trends, one avoidable rape is one too many especially when it’s me on the receiving end.
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It isn’t about what women “worry” about. Lots of “people” worry about lots of things that are not going to happen to them. That doesn’t mean we should set public policy around infinitesimal odds or possibilities.
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