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Well is it? Stop avoiding the question...

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Social media is owned by private companies and something people engage in by choice. They are beholden to stock holders and consumers of their services and will make decisions in the interest of those groups. So no, social media canít censor you. They can decide youíre not good for their bottom line, but thatís not censorship. Itís business. Likewise, you can choose not to use their services if you donít agree with their policies.
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Ok to be abundantly clear, if Youtube and Twitter are the only options, and there are no alternatives, which realistically, there are not, then these all-encompassing arbiters of thought defined by an algorithm are totalitarian and all pervasive. Or aren't they?
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monopoly?


A company canít have a monopoly on something you donít ďneed.Ē
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Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post
A company canít have a monopoly on something you donít ďneed.Ē
I emphatically disagree.
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Ok to be abundantly clear, if Youtube and Twitter are the only options, and there are no alternatives, which realistically, there are not, then these all-encompassing arbiters of thought defined by an algorithm are totalitarian and all pervasive. Or aren't they?


Yes, but, the only option for what? What thing do they provide that modern humans canít easily do without?
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Originally Posted by Chinspinner View Post
I emphatically disagree.


Please expound...
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But why are you asking that question? It seems obfuscation. Modern humans do use this, What is your point?
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Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post
Please expound...
As above...
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Old 10-06-2018, 07:28 AM
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But why are you asking that question? It seems obfuscation. Modern humans do use this, What is your point?


Yes, they use it, just like they also use porn sites, but they choose to do it. Itís entertainment.
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Old 10-06-2018, 07:31 AM
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Yes, they use it, just like they also use porn sites, but they choose to do it. Itís entertainment.
And your disagreement with that is what? People also use phones where they used to use stone tools. Are we going from the silly to the sublime? Or should we all return to the stone age to appease you?
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Old 10-06-2018, 07:34 AM
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And what I argued above is irrelevant, I never debated whether or not people should use this technology, I only acknowledged that they did...
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Old 10-06-2018, 07:42 AM
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Ouch, sorry, I got stroppy there ;/
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Originally Posted by Chinspinner View Post
And your disagreement with that is what? People also use phones where they used to use stone tools. Are we going from the silly to the sublime? Or should we all return to the stone age to appease you?


Phones are a utility that allow people to communicate instantly. Social media is just a layer of that communication, not a different thing. Itís an outfit in the wardrobe of communication. If Facebook pissed enough users off, passed a tipping point, they would become like MySpace in a relatively short time.

I realize some people built their business on social media platforms, but itís like any other entertainment business you build. Put all your eggs in one basket and sometimes the basket falls apart.
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Yes I agree. Still unsure of the relevance, but I agree.
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Ok Brian, let us not take some imaginary time in the future, can we deal with today for the purposes of this discussion?

Do Youtube and Twitter have an effective monopoly?

Are they a monopoly for all intense and purposes?

Can they control all debate?
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Wow, I was an arse above, sorry Brian, just had an arse on.
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Originally Posted by Chinspinner View Post
Yes I agree. Still unsure of the relevance, but I agree.


The relevance is that social media is a form of entertainment utilizing a platform of communication in an arena where there are many other forms of communication available. The fact that someone hasnít shown up yet with the new form does not mean that FaceBook and Twitter are monopolies. And besides that, monopolies of what? They are monopolies of our collective stupidity and intellectual laziness?

I see the point youíre making, I do, and Iím playing the devil a bit here, but I donít think the uproar about social media removing content they donít like can rise to the level of censorship. A government can censor you. A corporation can influence public opinion, trick people, de-incentivize certain activities it sees bad for its bottom line, dupe the stupid, etc (some bad things there), but censorship is something different, IMO.
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Are they a monopoly for all intense and purposes?

Can they control all debate?


No, they cannot. There is still plenty of public debate happening.

Edit: in fact, their removing content they donít like is spawning new platforms as we speak. Itís almost a good thing.

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Perfect summation "They are monopolies of our collective stupidity and intellectual laziness?"
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Originally Posted by brianpatrick View Post
The relevance is that social media is a form of entertainment utilizing a platform of communication in an arena where there are many other forms of communication available. The fact that someone hasnít shown up yet with the new form does not mean that FaceBook and Twitter are monopolies. And besides that, monopolies of what? They are monopolies of our collective stupidity and intellectual laziness?

I see the point youíre making, I do, and Iím playing the devil a bit here, but I donít think the uproar about social media removing content they donít like can rise to the level of censorship. A government can censor you. A corporation can influence public opinion, trick people, de-incentivize certain activities it sees bad for its bottom line, dupe the stupid, etc (some bad things there), but censorship is something different, IMO.
Well thank fuck you finally collected your thoughts and made sense. I broadly agree.
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What kind of censorship is one talking about?
Great topic by the way Chin. Right up my street.
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What kind of censorship is one talking about?
Great topic by the way Chin. Right up my street.
Yeah, is fun, unfortunately it resulted in Brian and me getting it on, but if we had remained empirical rather than sextrirical we would have been fine.
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Heís not telling the whole truth Nacia. It was only the tip, and I never consented. Truth be told it was before morning coffee, so Iím not quite sure what happened, but Iíll deny first and apologize later.
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Heís not telling the whole truth Nacia. It was only the tip, and I never consented. Truth be told it was before morning coffee, so Iím not quite sure what happened, but Iíll deny first and apologize later.
Oh no!"! now you are talking haha
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The relevance is that social media is a form of entertainment utilizing a platform of communication in an arena where there are many other forms of communication available. The fact that someone hasnít shown up yet with the new form does not mean that FaceBook and Twitter are monopolies. And besides that, monopolies of what? They are monopolies of our collective stupidity and intellectual laziness?

I see the point youíre making, I do, and Iím playing the devil a bit here, but I donít think the uproar about social media removing content they donít like can rise to the level of censorship. A government can censor you. A corporation can influence public opinion, trick people, de-incentivize certain activities it sees bad for its bottom line, dupe the stupid, etc (some bad things there), but censorship is different, IMO.

The relevance is that social media is a form of communication utilizing the platform of entertainment which monopolize our collective stupidity and intellectual laziness in an arena where there are many other forms of entertainment available. The fact that someone else hasnít shown up yet with a new form of entertainment does not mean that FaceBook and Twitter are not monopolies. And besides that, monopolies of what? They are monopolies of communication.

I see the point youíre making, I do, and Iím playing the devil a bit here, but I do think the uproar about social media removing content they donít like can rise to the level of censorship. A government can censor you. A corporation can influence public opinion, trick people, de-incentivize certain activities it sees bad for its bottom line, dupe the stupid, etc (some bad things there), yet censorship by dominant communication providers utilizing the platform of entertainment is not different, IMO.
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... social media is the biggest threat to humanity. It has a phenomenal ability to censor, limit and meddle with our freedom to communicate ideas, information and everything really. Social media, the immediacy of our way of communication is so vulnerable to corruption and control. It is used by state, cooperation and it’s a weapon too. There was a book, I forget, about the limits of geo-politics, the natural boundaries restricting a country from advancing - take that mountain range there or inhospitable terrain over there ... but no more the boundaries. An ideology can be drip fed into our heads. Infact, the idea that social media is sort of benign is perhaps the greatest censorship going.
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... social media is the biggest threat to humanity. It has a phenomenal ability to censor, limit and meddle with our freedom to communicate ideas, information and everything really. Social media, the immediacy of our way of communication is so vulnerable to corruption and control. It is used by state, cooperation and itís a weapon too. There was a book, I forget, about the limits of geo-politics, the natural boundaries restricting a country from advancing - take that mountain range there or inhospitable terrain over there ... but no more the boundaries. An ideology can be drip fed into our heads. Infact, the idea that social media is sort of benign is perhaps the greatest censorship going.


So what youíre saying is we need to get rid of all the stupid people? Okay, but Iím not sure how one goes about that. Elon Musk has an idea for increasing the availability of information to everyone with the company Neuralink, basically an implantable computer interface with which people will have access to all information everywhereóincluding (eventually) the thoughts of others directly. But that could backfire in a capitalist economy, or it could open a whole new world.

Okay, Iím yanking your chain a bit, but I donít agree that humans canít move into larger pools of association than countries or physical borders. I agree that itís how we evolved, but humans have proven themselves in their ability to adapt over and over again. This could be our Cambrian Explosion. In fact, it has to be or we will probably make ourselves extinct.
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The relevance is that social media is a form of communication utilizing the platform of entertainment which monopolize our collective stupidity and intellectual laziness in an arena where there are many other forms of entertainment available. The fact that someone else hasnít shown up yet with a new form of entertainment does not mean that FaceBook and Twitter are not monopolies. And besides that, monopolies of what? They are monopolies of communication.



I see the point youíre making, I do, and Iím playing the devil a bit here, but I do think the uproar about social media removing content they donít like can rise to the level of censorship. A government can censor you. A corporation can influence public opinion, trick people, de-incentivize certain activities it sees bad for its bottom line, dupe the stupid, etc (some bad things there), yet censorship by dominant communication providers utilizing the platform of entertainment is not different, IMO.


Yes, yes, but what your missing is the big picture. Humans wonít be subjugated for long. They will eventually break out of any bonds you put on them and do something else. You can only clamp the jaws so tight for so long before a big motivated brain starts a movement that catches fire and melts chains. And with the speed of communication what it is now, that can happen virtually over-night.

I goof about people being stupid, but the truth is most of them arenít. Only a modest percentage are intellectually incapable of understanding at least basic concepts, articulated in the right way. And all people are valuable. The ones that canít look after themselves should be looked after (but, with respect and dignity), and I see the world eventually going that way. It looks bleak now, but all transitions look bleak.
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