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Gödel proved that the Creator is.

Scientists hide its evidence. They are not profitable. They are fully showed their pig snouts. Here is the proof of Gödel.



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Only if you're willing to accept the axioms as true. If the axioms are rejected (there is no proof given for the axioms), then G's theorem is useless.
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Only if you're willing to accept the axioms as true. If the axioms are rejected (there is no proof given for the axioms), then G's theorem is useless.

The problem is that this evidence is not widely known. If it will be widely discussed, then it makes sense to your vyskazyyvanie. Godel deserved. He was the greatest mathematicians of the 20th century.
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your vyskazyyvanie
BP has one and I don't .?!

Aw, c'mon ... how's a guy s'posed to keep up?
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BP has one and I don't .?!



Aw, c'mon ... how's a guy s'posed to keep up?

Mine's pretty big too!
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BP has one and I don't .?!

Aw, c'mon ... how's a guy s'posed to keep up?

right - your statement
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Gödel's Theorems prove that no system of formal logic can be both complete and consistent. This is a rather significant thing to have proven, and Gödel is a mathematician and philosopher of central importance, but there's no sense in which Gödel's Theorems prove anything about a creator.
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Gödel's Theorems prove that no system of formal logic can be both complete and consistent. This is a rather significant thing to have proven, and Gödel is a mathematician and philosopher of central importance, but there's no sense in which Gödel's Theorems prove anything about a creator.
It is a different thing, but it is known.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B...ological_proof
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Oh, the Ontological "Proof". That's not what Gödel is famous for at all. It was never published during his lifetime, and indeed he never submitted it anywhere for publication. Therefore either (a) he had abandoned it, or (b) he was still working on it, when he died.

You've given the proof in formal logic. Set out in plain English it goes like this:

(1) By definition, God is perfect;
(2) Things that exist are more perfect than things that are imaginary;

Therefore

(3) God must exist. QED.

As with all syllogisms of this type, it's a "proof" in the sense that if you accept the premises then the conclusion is inevitable. The problem is that the premises it rests on are, err, controversial, to say the least.

If you're looking for a philosophical proof of the existence of God then I would recommend looking into St Thomas of Aquinas' Quinque Viae (Latin: "Five proofs"). They're redundant to an extent, so you can eliminate some of them but the uncaused cause argument poses some extremely grave and profound philosophical problems for atheism. I'm very much an atheist, but even I accept that the Quinque Viae are formidable arguments and Dawkins' attempt to dismiss them as special pleading was weak.
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The problem is not Gödel and scientific lie

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Ouch! I neglected to put on my special protective facepalming gloves before clicking that link, so I nearly gouged out my own eye by accident.
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Ouch! I neglected to put on my special protective facepalming gloves before clicking that link, so I nearly gouged out my own eye by accident.
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Any proof about why the creations of the creator conduct themselves as they do?
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Any proof about why the creations of the creator conduct themselves as they do?

It's probably the drugs.

'And suddenly there was a terrible roar all around us and the sky was full of what looked like huge bats...'
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It's probably the drugs.

'And suddenly there was a terrible roar all around us and the sky was full of what looked like huge bats...'

And why would the created consume such substances?


'As she wiped the tavern's table tops, Anita's bosom moved under her peasant blouse in a manner pleasant to the eye ...'
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And why would the created consume such substances?





'As she wiped the tavern's table tops, Anita's bosom moved under her peasant blouse in a manner pleasant to the eye ...'

Maybe they had to get a lot of building done. Anita didn't go with just any giant.

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Oh, man, I wish I had time to watch that whole video.

All these ancient monoliths, made from huge blocks of stone that way tons. How do you explain it?

Why giants, of course!

People who were 12 feet tall were somehow far more capable of moving these massive blocks of stone than men who were 5 feet tall.

It makes perfect sense!
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Oh, man, I wish I had time to watch that whole video.

All these ancient monoliths, made from huge blocks of stone that way tons. How do you explain it?

Why giants, of course!

People who were 12 feet tall were somehow far more capable of moving these massive blocks of stone than men who were 5 feet tall.

It makes perfect sense!

Some of the Giants were 30ft tall!

And... They probably had extraterrestrial help.😀😀😝
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I'm confused.

What do you mean by Creator?

The chef is the creator of a fine meal.
The writer was the creator of suspense.
etc.

What do you mean by proved?

The evidence proved his guilt.
The experiments validated the hypothesis.
etc.

If you're speaking of a higher power I'm afraid I have bad news for you. There is no higher power. And even if there is, he's been on vacation since the Big Bang.

By the way. I went to the link you provided and was hoping to see something which made sense to me. Ye Gads! Talk about complexity! If someone proves something you'd think they would make it understandable. Otherwise how could we know he proved anything? Hmm...

I'm confused...
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I'm confused.

What do you mean by Creator?

The chef is the creator of a fine meal.
The writer was the creator of suspense.
etc.

What do you mean by proved?

The evidence proved his guilt.
The experiments validated the hypothesis.
etc.

If you're speaking of a higher power I'm afraid I have bad news for you. There is no higher power. And even if there is, he's been on vacation since the Big Bang.

By the way. I went to the link you provided and was hoping to see something which made sense to me. Ye Gads! Talk about complexity! If someone proves something you'd think they would make it understandable. Otherwise how could we know he proved anything? Hmm...

I'm confused...




Godel's largest mathematician of the 20th century. This important piece of evidence should not be less well known than the incompleteness theorem. Incompleteness theorem knows most advanced scientists. Why are not aware of the ontological argument? This is a blatant attempt to hide from the people that G-d exists. I gave the link of giants, to show the true face of scientists.

They hide from the people is very important facts. They must be exposed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4x08xQ8x2M

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("...godel proved that the creator is what to whom exactly..." inquired the goblin)
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("...godel proved that the creator is what to whom exactly..." inquired the goblin)
Exists. Gödel proved that the creator exists.

This is an ESL thing. English has "to be" and "to exist", two verbs with separate but overlapping meanings and the way we use them doesn't translate well ---- either to or from English. So, for example, we translate "Cogito ergo sum" into English as: "I think, therefore I am". It does mean that, but a much clearer and more idiomatic way of translating it would be "I am thinking, so I must exist".

Essentially, you've got to be at native-speaker level in both languages before you can untangle whether to translate something as "is" or "exists".
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And... They probably had extraterrestrial help.😀😀😝

probably ?

I've always considered this aspect to be beyond question.
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It's all very interesting, but I'm not convinced we exist. How do I know any of you are real? All I see are words on a screen.

And even if it was proved the creator exists, I (if, in fact, I do exist) would want to know who or what created the creator. And so on...
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It's all very interesting, but I'm not convinced we exist. How do I know any of you are real? All I see are words on a screen.

And even if it was proved the creator exists, I (if, in fact, I do exist) would want to know who or what created the creator. And so on...

Don't sass us with your existential hocus-pocus, man. We're confused enough!

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