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Old 01-20-2013, 08:33 PM
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I just got this from another raving, drooling, American gun nut like myself. So I thought I'd post it because I'm starting to kind of getting off on watching people rant and rave and dribble over how laws cure violence. And especially foreigners who think it's imperative to focus on what American laws should be like (instead of things like their own problems).
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("...yes, everyone notes how some individual had suddenly turned psychotic on a killing spree yet nobody ever seems to ask what medication/s the individual was under at the time..." ventured the goblin, adding "...me, I don't want to pay too much attention to gun laws at this point because it's being used as a smokescreen to divert attention away from the growing tension between the US, china, and russia, where for example the US has just announced that it intends to have a presence in thirty-five african countries and where russia is about to hold its biggest navel exercise in history, where, in the mediterranean no less, and where china/japan/north korea are increasing antagonistic towards each other too...", in fact, the fact that joe sixpack's attention was transfixed on gun laws played well for the government seeing how badly the economy was faring, adding "...well, if they had good news about the economy they would play it for all that it's worth, ah no, no news is bad news in this case...")

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Old 01-21-2013, 08:43 AM
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YAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNnn...Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ! Oh sorry, nodded off there , I was expecting Lin to saying something like "The bloody foreigner's keep having opinions on American stuff that only Americans shoul......oh!
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quite apart the politicking in and around gun laws ...

what many non-americans will never understand is the desire to own guns. can't speak for other necks of other woods, but in this one, the only people who own guns not used in line of work, are marginalised redneck types who are almost always undereducated, poor, and unstable. the sort of people you'd cross the street to avoid, even on a good day.

it's not unlike (and indeed, in this country the two habits often coincide) the owning of dangerous dogs. we don't understand either habit, though we a humorous explanation for both
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I saw a sign on a gate the other day to some commercial place (don't ask me where) that said "No weapons allowed." So that means, normal, law abiding citizens will obey and not bring weapons on the premises. However, do you think a criminal will go "Oh, it says no weapons allowed, that means I'll have to go somewhere else to shoot people!"? No! Gun control is only taking guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens and leaving them defenseless! Don't let politicians take away your second amendment rights!

Not sure how to do images, so here's a link:

http://youviewed.com/tag/daily-edito...rtoon-1-18-13/

the first picture, "Gun Control for Dummies" is what I'm talking about.
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Old 01-21-2013, 05:29 PM
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Good one, teenwriter.

I'm kind of surprised this thread is inundated with the sound of jerking knees.
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Gun control is only taking guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens and leaving them defenseless!
I'll cut some slack on account of your apparent age, but it must be said that to the majority of non-american westerners, this reads as nutty as a fruitcake. you gunny folk just don't seem able to see the irony. to the observer, such mind-snapping lack of insight is both terrifying and hilarious. at the same time. which hurts my brain.
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Not sure what lack of insight it shows.

For one, it's an obvious, irrefutable fact. If you you pass laws against guns you deny them to the law abiding, but the lawless will, or can, have them.
Hard to get around the logic of that.

Not that many won't.

The lack of insight comes when people say, "Something's evil, so if we make laws about it, we can feel good and things will be better."

I think it's pretty obvious that's not the case. Let me cite prohibition of alcohol, drug laws, criminalizing prostitution and betting, etc.

Proven unworkable, but that doesn't stop people from yammering about it. It's faith-based, actually. Mindless puritanism.
Which stems mostly from fear, and lack of security in one's own moral underpinnings.
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Old 01-21-2013, 06:21 PM
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ok, let me put it another way. why, oh why, do 'law abiding' people want guns in their house? that is, fundamentally, the problem.

millions and millions of people manage to get through entire lives without ever having the tiniest inclination towards firearms. even in places where one might actually be handy on those exceedingly rare occassions you gunners appear to believe are ever an ever present threat. I'll wager even you gunners will mostly reach your span without ever needing to draw arms in self defence. given that, all those unused guns sitting around in surburban homes become deep hazards. as you point out, folk are always being invaded over there, so what happens if you're not home? or they shoot you first with guns stolen from your neighbour? more guns for mr crim. by your reasoning, this is how it can go. insight.
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Old 01-21-2013, 08:01 PM
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Hard to tell if you are serious, or just stunned from knee jerking.
Law abiding people could want guns in their house to protect themselves from non-law-abiding people.

Seems weird to have to explain that.

I've killed people in defense. And I've produced a gun to protect people on many occasions.

Maybe this all depends on where you live.

But what's the point. You;'re just regurgitating the same old lines we've all heard over and over.
And without any real experience in the matter, or giving it any real thought.

Don't bother. Or, better yet, do. Ramble on about it. I actually thought this thread would being even more gibbering parrots out. Bring your friends.
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("...here you go teenwriter..." went the goblin, who would explain about adding pictures if asked, continuing "...just replace the link in your post with this one instead...", meanwhile the goblin just looked on, the topic of gun control was a hot one)

[img]http://libertyfeatures.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Cartoon-Gun-Control-for-Dummies-990-600x467.jpg[/img]

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It's a shame people took the bait at all, Lin.

I for one don't wanna take away your guns, I don't believe it's realistic in America. I think it's sad that you can't live without them, but so should every human.

I'm glad they're illegal in my country, we enjoy a lower murder rate because of it. And before you go on about violent crimes, I'd rather teach my kids how to block a punch than dodge a bullet.
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Old 01-22-2013, 02:05 AM
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Knowing how to block a punch doesn't help much if there's a bullet coming your way.

You assume there are less murders because guns are illegal.
It's more likely the other way around.

Like I say, people have opinions about things they don't know about but are afraid of.

And it ends up that what they're afraid of isn't other people.
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Originally Posted by Lin View Post
Hard to tell if you are serious.
Law abiding people could want guns in their house to protect themselves from non-law-abiding people.

Seems weird to have to explain that.
it can be hard to tell, yairz. meanwhile, your explanation doesnt explain anything. it never has, in all the years gunny men have been trundling it out. just like the 'explanations' given for keeping dangerous dogs (and I dont mean Shepherds, I mean fighting breeds).
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You can't explain things to people who are invested in not understanding.

Actually it's your little "trundling out' things that don't make any sense.

People like to think they can pass laws and make people better. And the more absurd and unworkable the law, the better, because then you don't have to find out it wouldn't work.

Prohibitionists are scared little souls, trying to control the rest of the world instead of themselves.
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You seem to be labouring under the delusion that anyone is demanding that you change your laws. You might want to look closer to home, it aint foreigners who have any say anyway, and personally I don't care too much.

I think you misunderstand what I mean about teaching my kids to block a punch, I thought it was a simple point. 'Violent' crimes includes every scuffle on a saturday night, though it often is employed in this debate, it can't be used as leverage when comparing individual safety in Britain and America.

But just to clarify, you think Britain's murder rate would go down if we legalised guns?
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Also, to go back to another point which got a few people hot and bothered for whatever reason. There's this thing about 'guns don't kill people, people do.' Which is technically true... you can buy a gun pretty easily in Canada and Switzerland, and their murder rates are relatively low... so, what is it about America?
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Here's my idea:
Let the people who want guns own them, and the people who don't want guns not own them.
(By the way, yes, I am a teenager, but my dad is a HUGE gun person, so I hear tons from him, and I do research this as well. I would really like an America to live in when I'm an adult and off on my own, not a socialist country where the government tells me how to live MY life. And I'm not coming back to this topic, so flame me to your heart's content.)
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You can't explain things to people who are invested in not understanding.
That works both ways, Lin.

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Prohibitionists are scared little souls, trying to control the rest of the world instead of themselves.
That's what you'd like to think, because it runs contary to a belief you hold.

I gave up arguing about gun control years ago, after I spent time in the US. I don't think a Brit can ever properly see or understand the American viewpoint on guns, or the place that guns hold in society. Likewise I don't think you will ever see things from an English point of view - and why should you?

If you want to own a gun in the US, you're legally entitled, for whatever reason. Go for it.

My only recommendation, if ever I was in a position to make one, and in light of the reports you hear about kids killing siblings with daddy's gun while playing cops, or daddy shooting himself or a famil member with a gun he thought wasn't loaded, or any of the other accidental shootings, or unnecessary shootings, would be this:

If you want to own a gun, you have to receive training in how to use it, and look after it, and store it.

Is that to much to ask, or is that unconstitutional.
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I would really like an America to live in when I'm an adult and off on my own, not a socialist country where the government tells me how to live MY life.
If you really believe you don't already have a government who tells you how to live your life, and always have had, since way before Washington's time, you're an even bigger dick than I gave you credit for.
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What I find so bizarre is that the nutty gun hoggers are only a (very inbred, deformed) sibling away from the Pro life lobbyists...So when you gunners have finished screwing you sisters, brothers daughters mom, can you shoot 'em please.?
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What I find so bizarre is that the nutty gun hoggers are only a (very inbred, deformed) sibling away from the Pro life lobbyists...So when you gunners have finished screwing you sisters, brothers daughters mom, can you shoot 'em please.?
Dude, next time you think of saying something like this... unless you want to sound like a nutty inbred type, don't.

The inbred hick pro-gun correlation is no more valid than the timid self-loathing prohibitionist one.
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Actually it was meant as a very stereotypical joke..my bad......dude
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And the name calling element was purposefully put in because certain posters seem to restort to that very quickly if people don't all bow down at their all powerful wisdom and agree absolutely with their every nod and sneeze.....dude!
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I don't really care one way or another about gun control. I just wanted an excuse to use this pic.



Oh and this one is good too.



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I just love the way that whenever the brain-dead discuss gun control, they immediately have to classify those who disagree as inbred or rednecks or whatever, trot out odd stereotypes to attack what isn't even at issue.

This is generally seen as logical fallacy, used when there is not strong argument.

Again, it's all a big emotional tantrum. Faith based, magical thinking. People are killing each other, doing drugs, drinking, going to whores... so we'll pass a law and it will all be better.
If you don't agree, you a hick who hates gays and women and blacks.
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Nevermind, it was a joke.

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And the name calling element was purposefully put in because certain posters seem to restort to that very quickly if people don't all bow down at their all powerful wisdom and agree absolutely with their every nod and sneeze.....dude!
Yeah, well it really doesn't help at all. As you can see you've needlessly given Lin the chance to paint all those who might have slightly different view points as him with the same brush; that brush being of the emotional, goody-two-shoes, self-righteous health and safety officer calibre.

I'd try not to allow him the pleasure, dude.
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Tahdas... that was fucking awesome! You are everything that is right with America, kid, keep it up!


(See Lin, see what this kind of shit does to kids?)
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